Posts Tagged risk
Gambling millions
Posted by Peter Webb in Bet Angel on April 24th, 2011
Give me five minutes with somebody and I can teach you how to put through enormous sums through a market at relatively little risk, you wont make or lose much, but you will be able to say that you gambled millions that day, an impressive feat; or is it?
I have often been misquoted, especially when it comes to numbers. But one thing that is fairly certain in the modern betting age, is that racking up bets in the millions is actually quite an achievable feat, even for a novice. Sometimes this has been put up as a negative, that people are using exchanges for ‘serious’ activity. But the reality couldn’t be more stark, lets have a look at the real deal behind the numbers.
Lots of products exist out there now for putting bets on while you are busy doing something else. We have two very useful tools in Bet Angel, Guardian, the multi market, auto switching tool and Excel spreadsheet integration. Using these two tools you can set up Bet Angel to places bets in your absense and it will happily chug away to your exacting criteria all day and night.
One of the huge draws to betting exchanges is the small overound on the book. In the bad old days bookmakers could print money by maintaining a super high over round. This ensured even given a bad run that they would end ahead. On exchanges the book is very very close to break even and with each year that passes it gets even closer. The hurdle to profitability is actually very small now. To jump that hurdle and make it worth while you need to do things.
First, you need an edge, even a very small one will do nowadays. Your edge could be timing, selection based, system based, logic, psychology; there are many. For example, a strong winning run in a sports events leads gamblers to often assume that the chance of something happening is more likely. Value is often created at this exact point for the opposing reason. Your edge can be quite small now and still be profitable thanks to exchanges. Once you have found your edge you need to exploit it with money, but the contradiction on exchanges is that while the hurdle is small, the market is very efficient and therefore any edge is also very, very small.
So the answer is to put lots of money through the markets to magnify any edge you have. Tomorrow, a public holiday in the UK, we have ten race meetings and total over 60 horse races. If you put through a £100 bet on each race you would place in total £6000 in just one day! Of course you only need a tiny bank to do this as each race starts and finishes quickly (excluding races that clash). Increase this amount to £1000 and you would put through £60k in one day. Is this realistic?
This is where betting on the volatility of odds really comes into its own. If you don’t want to risk £1000 in one shot you can break it up into chunks of say £100 or ten lots to reach your £1000 in bets. If we took the low assumption of just 10,000 races a year on average, your £1000 per race would scale up to the astonishing sum of £10m a year in gambles. Even a tiny, tiny edge on £10m can make things a worthwhile endeavour, all this with a tiny bank. On the flip side though, I should point out that if you don’t have an edge then your bank will disappear in double quick time as that negative edge multiples on the downside. When people talk about an edge, the image that springs to my mind is a cliff edge. To make money in the long term in any market you need to know where the edge is without falling off it!
But, in summary, even using small amounts you can effectively leverage that into what seems fairly astonishing sums just by re-using it as often as you can. This allows you to earn good money even with a tiny edge.

Finding an edge can be rewarding but carries risks!
Outrageous risk – Part Two
Posted by Peter Webb in Bet Angel on May 15th, 2009
To recap. Last Thursday we backed the favourite at a fixed time of the day and let our losses run without re-dress. Basically it was dumb, reckless swing trading with complete abandon. By doing this we were opening ourselves to potential losses that could be massive. Only at post time did we bother to close our position. Other than that, we let risk run to its fullest extent.
My question to you, is did we: -
(a) Make a bunch of money
(b) Lose a bunch of money
(c) Neither
Well (a) seems unrealistic unless we were very lucky. You would have been incorrect if you opted for option (a). If you opted for option (b) you would have also been wrong, we didn’t lose a bunch of money. In fact it was (c) that was correct, we neither made nor lost a bunch of money. In fact we were only just short of break even on the day. This illustrates at least a couple of points.
The first is that just as volatility can work against you it can work for you as well. It’s a glass half full / half empty moment. While it may start moving away from you, it can also work spectacularly in your favour. It is no coincidence that most of my biggest ever wins have been on great swing trading races. Again, I don’t recommend this blind strategy as it can be dramatically improved upon. But you can’t escape that, as I showed in an earlier post, some of these swings can be significant. Therefore it’s unrealistic to assume that because there is a lot of movement it will only be in the wrong direction!
In part three we will have a closer look at that P&L and compare it to another and make a couple of suggestions.
Outrageous risk – Part One
Posted by Peter Webb in Bet Angel on May 13th, 2009
This is how many would describe the following strategy I am about to outline.
The strategy takes on the maximum risk possible in a market, here it is :-
Go into the market at 1pm and back every favourite with a £1 tick size….. that’s it! Ok, you will have to close your position before the off, but that’s about it from a strategy viewpoint. No offsetting your order or closing out one tick away from your entry price. By the way, don’t do this till you read part two!
Sounds like madness, but what will actually happen from here? Have a careful think about it. According to some you will lose a fortune as your position drifts hopelessly away from you, taking your money with it. Putting the rhetoric aside, what’s the reality? Well the results may surprise you.
Volatility is often seen as the enemy in markets, but a chance meeting in a pub in Throgmorton Street in London changed my view on volatility forever. In the middle of the city of London you may expect my inspiration to be a trader of some sort, maybe a quant trader; but it was actually a telecoms engineer. I was chatting to him over a pint and was explaining how volatility was the joker in the pack, we were talking about stock prices. “Oh that’s easy!” he explained and went on to describe how he predicts noise when he is looking at transmission of data. After meeting him I did some research to learn more. Curiously, what he pointed out, predicted the variability of the stock market very accurately. When I started looking at horse racing I realised that the very same characteristics were likely to occur here as well. What I learnt was that volatility can actually work in your favour given the right circumstances. It was a revelation.
So how did this crazy experiment work out? Well I perfomed this experiment randomly last Thursday. Keep tuned into the blog for part two and the results.
