Grenfell Tower

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spreadbetting
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Hot weather and discontent usually lead to riots, somehow I can't see this Tory government doing anything but inflamming the situation with their incompetence.
cybernet69

Personally, i think in such situations then hotels with vacant rooms in the area should be made to provide shelter.

Having just lost your home and nearly killed, sleeping on a mat on the floor of a community centre seems something out of the dark ages.
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Dublin_Flyer
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From what current reports are, the tower was revamped at a cost of circa 10M recently, covered with a cladding of some form of polystyrene like material, supported by wooden lats holding it to the building. The revamp didn't address the fact that there was only 1 way out, bar window jumping, which some victims apparently did.

Talk of Torys or Labour or any others, in this topic prior to the event is irrelevant.

Massive planning and a shitload of paperwork goes into a tower revamp like was done, and requires a huge amount of sign-offs that their part of the job has been done, done properly, and in line with all current best building practices, and health and safety guidelines.

Whoever gave the final sign off on cladding a whole building with non fire-retardant material with one fire exit, should be held criminally liable. If they're part of a company, then all company directors should be equally liable.

Talk of Torys or Labour, or any others post-tragedy is irrelevant too.

These people died because assholes didn't do their job.

Don't blame Tory, or Labour, or DUP, or anyone else.

This tragedy is because of individual people not giving a crap, and letting their job go in play.
cybernet69

Dublin_Flyer wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:44 pm
From what current reports are, the tower was revamped at a cost of circa 10M recently, covered with a cladding of some form of polystyrene like material, supported by wooden lats holding it to the building. The revamp didn't address the fact that there was only 1 way out, bar window jumping, which some victims apparently did.

Talk of Torys or Labour or any others, in this topic prior to the event is irrelevant.

Massive planning and a shitload of paperwork goes into a tower revamp like was done, and requires a huge amount of sign-offs that their part of the job has been done, done properly, and in line with all current best building practices, and health and safety guidelines.

Whoever gave the final sign off on cladding a whole building with non fire-retardant material with one fire exit, should be held criminally liable. If they're part of a company, then all company directors should be equally liable.

Talk of Torys or Labour, or any others post-tragedy is irrelevant too.

These people died because assholes didn't do their job.

Don't blame Tory, or Labour, or DUP, or anyone else.

This tragedy is because of individual people not giving a crap, and letting their job go in play.
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vankancisco
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Dublin_Flyer wrote:
Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:44 pm
From what current reports are, the tower was revamped at a cost of circa 10M recently, covered with a cladding of some form of polystyrene like material, supported by wooden lats holding it to the building. The revamp didn't address the fact that there was only 1 way out, bar window jumping, which some victims apparently did.

Talk of Torys or Labour or any others, in this topic prior to the event is irrelevant.

Massive planning and a shitload of paperwork goes into a tower revamp like was done, and requires a huge amount of sign-offs that their part of the job has been done, done properly, and in line with all current best building practices, and health and safety guidelines.

Whoever gave the final sign off on cladding a whole building with non fire-retardant material with one fire exit, should be held criminally liable. If they're part of a company, then all company directors should be equally liable.

Talk of Torys or Labour, or any others post-tragedy is irrelevant too.

These people died because assholes didn't do their job.

Don't blame Tory, or Labour, or DUP, or anyone else.

This tragedy is because of individual people not giving a crap, and letting their job go in play.
It's a sensitive issue, but this horrific event goes much deeper than that. There's multiple layers of responsibility and it certainly doesn't look like individual errors are to blame. The government, local authority and property management company are all going to be asked serious questions, as various levels of responsibility will be spread amongst all three. Perhaps the most worrying thing that has come out is that the government have possibly ignored advice regarding safety issues related to residential tower blocks. The investigation is going to be complex and lengthy, but it will go to the heart of government and beyond. Perhaps the most poignant thought in all of this is that a tragic number of society's most poor and desperate people have perished in a deathtrap, surrounded by some of the most expensive properties and wealthy people in the world.
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