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andyfuller
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LeTiss 4pm wrote:That didn't sound like a conference call BF would want everyone to hear :)
How do you mean LeTiss?

I thought it was yet again very striking how little they talked about the exchange. It also sounds that it could become ever harder to see what is happening in the exchange if they start to report just sports rather than breaking it into sports book and exchange. The demise of the exchange could be hidden further.

The 1% growth in revenue on the exchange from £56.3m to £56.7 is somewhat worrying. In real terms that is a fall and it would seem that that has come from margin as opposed to growing the exchange business.

When you consider over 59% of total revenue is coming from the exchange (62.2% in Q3FY13) v 9.96% from the sports book (8.27% in Q3FY13) it is amazing how everything seems to be about pushing the sports book. The advertising seems as though it is all pretty much sports book and the whole company ethos from the top seems to be sports book.

The future doesn't look bright for an expanding exchange, though by the sounds of it they don't see any impact from the Ladbrokes exchange. The exchange market would seem rife for someone to come along and get back to basics with it.

Finally the Normalised P/E ratio at 54.98 seems crazily high to me. I would be interested to hear anyone's views on this.
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I mean exactly what you went on to say

BF have been convincing us the exchange remains a key aspect of their focus, yet they hardly mentioned it all - everything seems geared towards the sportsbook and casino

I thought that was something they'd rather not make public
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The conference call was geared to city investors and is public for shareholders and potential share holders.

They are averaging 8% margin on the sportsbook and 4% margin on the exchange.

I hope the "price rush" gimmick works and brings moreliquidity to the exchange and it might well help betfairs market share, but if its expensive to develop and run compared to the sportsbook the institutional investors will say why bother?
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andyfuller wrote: The future doesn't look bright for an expanding exchange, though by the sounds of it they don't see any impact from the Ladbrokes exchange.
It might just be my personal view, but Ladbrokes haven't developed or pushed this as hard as I thought they may do. I just think it has been a bit disappointing? :(
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PeterLe wrote:
andyfuller wrote: The future doesn't look bright for an expanding exchange, though by the sounds of it they don't see any impact from the Ladbrokes exchange.
It might just be my personal view, but Ladbrokes haven't developed or pushed this as hard as I thought they may do. I just think it has been a bit disappointing? :(
Exactly what I was thinking - Where is this new api? That's they key to their success. If they just show traded amounts
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Looks like Betfair are exiting Oz...

Crown's move on Betfair shortens odds on James Packer wagering play

http://www.theage.com.au/business/crown ... 3506r.html

Thanks to Scott Ferguson for the link via Twitter.
andyfuller
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Morgan Stanley raises target price:

http://t.co/rr3d7QSJJY (opens as a PDF)

An interesting line is:

With the exception of changes in the Premium Charge (which we think probably generate more negative customer sentiment than benefit in revenues), the company has not changed its pricing structure since it was launched over 10 years ago.
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andyfuller wrote:Morgan Stanley raises target price:

http://t.co/rr3d7QSJJY (opens as a PDF)

An interesting line is:

With the exception of changes in the Premium Charge (which we think probably generate more negative customer sentiment than benefit in revenues), the company has not changed its pricing structure since it was launched over 10 years ago.
Thanks Andy

Check out betfair's historical market share on page 10 of that report.

In the early naughties there was betfair and there was daylight - over a quarter of the market before the also rans, Will Hill, Ladbrokes, Paddy P

A decade of betfair cynicism and arrogance and now Will Hill has parity with betfair and Paddy Power getting close. In another couple of years... the chart doesn't say but betfair will be an also ran, my guess

I love how they euphemise ripping off mug punters :lol:
Betfair already has a high market share amongst sophisticated bettors. These would be unlikely to spend much on casino and games, we think, where luck, rather than judgment, drives returns. However, as Betfair expands into the mass-market customer base, we think it can significantly expand the cross-selling of games and casino.
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Betfair full year results - profit up on flat revenue, exchange revenues down

http://www.investegate.co.uk/betfair-gr ... 00123407J/
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andyfuller
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Cheers Peter - I wasn't able to catch it this morning so will listen to it later.
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I always laugh listening to Alex Gersh - he sounds like a character from 'The Sopranos'
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He sure does, they mentioned today that he was russian?
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Not sure how Betfair could not 'Notice' £60M! :?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... dends.html
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