andyfuller wrote:The problem with saying people should be free to spend their money as they wish is that a lot of people in this country are just stupid and actually need guidance/help/precautions as they are unable to do so for themselves.
Ferru123 wrote:hgodden wrote:If it was discovered now it would probably be banned.
So would the car - that's not a compelling argument.
andyfuller wrote:Why would the car be banned? Because some people die driving it?
Ferru123 wrote:Are you seriously advocating treating grown adults like children, and restricting how they can spend their money, on the basis that some of them are thick?
Would you also outlaw Betfair, on the grounds that most of its customers lose money consistently, with a few traders and gamblers (along with Betfair itself) at the top of the pyramid, and everyone else losing money?
I once worked with a guy who claimed to have lost 750K on Betfair (and I believe him - the guy was a phenomenally successful salesman).
andyfuller wrote:Taking a friday night for example, there are some people who would (some do) go to pubs and drink themselves into such a state that they pass out etc. They are unable to make sensible decisions so that decision has been taken out of their hands as much as is possible and they should no longer be served when drunk.
andyfuller wrote:I wouldn't outlaw Betfair either and I wouldn't out law the machines. Measure need to be taken to govern their use and the current rules are not sufficient imo.
andyfuller wrote:Another good example of people being stupid are people speeding, rules are put in place about how fast you can go but if you removed those restrictions and made it a free for all as you seem to imply you prefer you would get people going at 70mph+ in built up areas, past schools etc.
andyfuller wrote:What do you mean by Health and Safety.
andyfuller wrote:Cars are very safe.
andyfuller wrote:To misquote Theo P who said on Dragon's Den this year, cars don't cause accidents people do.
Ferru123 wrote:Slot machines don't ruin lives - people's inappropriate use of them does...Jeff
Ferru123 wrote:andyfuller wrote:Cars are very safe.
Safe relative to what?
Statistics would suggest that driving your car carries more risk than sitting on your sofa...
andyfuller wrote:Exactly. There aren't many things I can think of that ruin lives when used appropriately, inappropriate use of them does. Hence why we have rules etc to try and curb the inappropriate use of them which takes us back to the article and what Harman was saying.
Ferru123 wrote:I see you chose to ignore my other points!
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