Betfair Premium - I shouldn't be paying

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ShaunWhite
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:29 pm
Daft question, but related.

Does any of the profit made when the company was known as Flutter.com, count towards the lifetime allowance?
It all counts, I asked for a lifetime summary recently and it went back to 2000.
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Jordanauburn123 wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:42 pm
Lifetime
Looks like a straightforward admin cockup, just let them know and they'll sort it out.

Ts&Cs section 9.
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:45 am
Jordanauburn123 wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:42 pm
Lifetime
Looks like a straightforward admin cockup, just let them know and they'll sort it out.

Ts&Cs section 9.

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He hasn't paid any premium charge, he's just talking about some of his allowance being used up. You're not considered for paying PC until you've traded 250 markets but your £1000 allowance starts getting consumed straight away.
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Derek27 wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:54 am
ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:45 am
Jordanauburn123 wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:42 pm
Lifetime
Looks like a straightforward admin cockup, just let them know and they'll sort it out.

Ts&Cs section 9.

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He hasn't paid any premium charge, he's just talking about some of his allowance being used up. You're not considered for paying PC until you've traded 250 markets but your £1000 allowance starts getting consumed straight away.
Not if you're not in lifetime profit. 'Thankfully'(?) I made such a balls up of my first attempt at trading years ago that I'm still in a lifetime loss. I don't even have access to the PC summary page let alone use any allowance. If yours was different they owe you a grand :)
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:23 am
Derek27 wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:54 am
ShaunWhite wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:45 am

Looks like a straightforward admin cockup, just let them know and they'll sort it out.

Ts&Cs section 9.

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He hasn't paid any premium charge, he's just talking about some of his allowance being used up. You're not considered for paying PC until you've traded 250 markets but your £1000 allowance starts getting consumed straight away.
Not if you're not in lifetime profit. 'Thankfully'(?) I made such a balls up of my first attempt at trading years ago that I'm still in a lifetime loss. I don't even have access to the PC summary page let alone use any allowance. If yours was different they owe you a grand :)
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If you have a few successful weeks and then start making a lifetime loss, some of your PC allowance will be used up, just like PC payers can end up in a lifetime loss - you don't get your PC back but still get credited for paying it should you get profitable again.
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Derek27 wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:48 am
If you have a few successful weeks and then start making a lifetime loss, some of your PC allowance will be used up, just like PC payers can end up in a lifetime loss - you don't get your PC back but still get credited for paying it should you get profitable again.
ahhh i see now. I hadn't read/understood that the guy could have used that before going -ve. I thought it has been used in error while in lifetime loss.

With that and the simple PC calc formula you're really schooling me today Derek :) How about a simple formula for aus commission including dogs/horses, state rate, race types and escalating commission discount rates? I could do with one of those :) tbh '6 or 7%ish give or take a little bit' works well enough for aus, for me.
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Derek27
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That's what the lockdown does - it gets you thinking. :)

I use an Access database with a table to hold all the meetings, a linked table for the jurisdiction, and for AUS meetings another lookup that lists all the States, with a field for the commission rate. So if the commission rate changes for a State I just need to change one field. The VBA behind the forms includes points calculation, depreciation and discount rates. :)

The last time commission rates changed in Australia I had to manually go through each meeting record to make corrections before eventually modifying the database. :oops:
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you must have had at least one good week when starting out initially, you don have to worry about premium charge anytime soon
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