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Euler
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Saw a couple of comments in the results about Betdaq

Exchanges: net revenue +36.1% (Q4:+25.9%)

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Betting via an exchange remains an attractive product to customers not only as a substitute activity but also as a complementary product. Revenue from Betdaq and the Ladbrokes Exchange has increased by 36.1% and operating profit(1) by 275% and our exchange business is profitable.
george
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well i cannot see how they can keep this numbers in the future here is the list of restricted territories

Albania

Armenia

AUSTRALIA (INCL. CHRISTMAS ISLANDS)

BAHRAIN

Belarus

BELGIUM

BULGARIA

CANADA

CHINA

Croatia

CYPRUS

Czech Republic

DENMARK

ESTONIA

Faroe Islands

Finland

FRANCE (INCL. GUADELOUPE, MARTINIQUE, FRENCH GUIANA, MAYOTTE, REUNION, SAINT PIERRE AND MIQUELON)

FRENCH POLYNESIA

FRENCH SOUTHERN TERRITOTIES

Georgia

GERMANY

GREECE

HONG KONG

HUNGARY

INDONESIA

ISRAEL

ITALY

Japan

JORDAN

KUWAIT

Lithuania

Luxemburg

MACAO

MALAYSIA

Mexico

MICRONESIA, FEDERATED STATES OF

Moldova

MONACO

NETHERLANDS

NIGERIA

NORWAY

PAKISTAN

Peru

PHILIPPINES

POLAND

Portugal

QATAR

Romania

Russia

SAUDI ARABIA

SERBIA

SINGAPORE

Slovakia

SLOVENIA

SOUTH AFRICA

South Korea

SPAIN

SWITZERLAND

THAILAND

TURKEY

Ukraine

UNITED ARAB EMIRATES

UNITED STATES (INCL. GUAM, US MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS , AMERICAN SAMOA, NORTHERN MARIANA ISLANDS, US VIRGIN ISLANDS, PUERTO RICO )

as u can see only uk is allowed to hold a betdaq account thats very bad
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Naffman
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Looks like every country in the world is named on that list :lol:

They won't get anywhere unless they expand their customer base into other countries as it seems they've done all they can in the UK.
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andrejt
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Location: Slovenia

Why would they ban a country in the first place?
timgo
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Joined: Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:12 am

The headline numbers (revenue +36%, profit +275%) look amazing until you read the detail.

There wasn't a World Cup in 2013 of course, but by far the biggest factor behind the "revenue growth" is that Betdaq is included in Ladbrokes accounts since 1st March 2013. So 2014 numbers are 12 months of revenue, 2013 is just March to December. A totally stagnant business will show double-digit revenue growth if you compare 12 months with 10!

The profit growth number is even dodgier. 2013 reported a LOSS of £0.4m, 2014 a profit of £1.1m. "+275%" looks like an attempt to mislead. So 22 months of operation have provided £0.7m of profits for Ladbrokes. That's not even enough to cover what they paid lawyers during the purchase (£1.3m, according to the accounts), let alone the £30m purchase price.

The other interesting number in the accounts is the valuation of the "Contingent Charge". Ladbrokes paid Dermot cash and shares, but there's also a potential payment based on Betdaq hitting unspecified 2016 EBITDA targets. For accounting purposes Ladbrokes include that number in their accounts on a probability basis. At 31st Dec 2013 it was £9.7m. 31st Dec 2014 it was just £2.5m - basically Ladbrokes accountants think the chances of Betdaq hitting its 2016 targets are less than a third of what they were a year ago.

Betdaq MD Lewis Findlay left last month along with a bunch of traders. I haven't seen that reported anywhere.
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