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[spreadbetting]

Where have I specifically said you arb thousands away each week? I said I wasn't lucky enough to arb away thousands each week to avoid PC. I could never maintain the accounts long enough or pick which side of the bet won.

I referenced the threads where you said you arb away thousands to the bookies and lose it on Betfair and avoided PC because of the arbing. Afraid I don't have the time to reference all the threads where you've suggested arbing as a way to avoid PC.

[Derek27]

Where have I specifically said you arb thousands away each week? I said I wasn't lucky enough to arb away thousands each week to avoid PC. I could never maintain the accounts long enough or pick which side of the bet won.

I referenced the threads where you said you arb away thousands to the bookies and lose it on Betfair and avoided PC because of the arbing. Afraid I don't have the time to reference all the threads where you've suggested arbing as a way to avoid PC.

I never said you did specifically say I arb thousands each week, I was asking you where you got it from.

Yep, even explained how to do it. Was a bit beyond me though as I had trouble maintaining bookie account for a few ticks when I was arbing, wasn't lucky enough to get the 33/1-2/1's to arb thousands out each week.

The first sentence was undoubtedly about me. As was the 33/1 > 2/1, so the end of the sentence does strongly imply and deceive.

I referenced the threads where you said you arb away thousands to the bookies and lose it on Betfair and avoided PC because of the arbing.

I think your problem is when you read that you assumed I was claiming to avoid PC totally and as a going concern, and you immediately placed me in your hypothetical group of clairvoyant arbers. Perhaps they all got there the same way. The only things that are permanent are your false impressions, despite the fact that I've tried to correct you.

[spreadbetting]

I think your problem is when you read that you assumed I was claiming to avoid PC totally and as a going concern, and you immediately placed me in your hypothetical group of clairvoyant arbers. Perhaps they all got there the same way. The only things that are permanent are your false impressions, despite the fact that I've tried to correct you.

Considering you said you'd avoided PC "for the time being" because of your arbing I'm not sure what other assumption I could come to.

............... I've managed to avoid PC for the time being because I've been arbing most of last year, but I can't see myself continuing when, or if, I have to pay 40%.

........... but what I can say is that I've won thousands with bookies and lost thousands with Betfair through arbing, .....

[Derek27]

I think your problem is when you read that you assumed I was claiming to avoid PC totally and as a going concern, and you immediately placed me in your hypothetical group of clairvoyant arbers. Perhaps they all got there the same way. The only things that are permanent are your false impressions, despite the fact that I've tried to correct you.

Considering you said you'd avoided PC "for the time being" because of your arbing I'm not sure what other assumption I could come to.

............... I've managed to avoid PC for the time being because I've been arbing most of last year, but I can't see myself continuing when, or if, I have to pay 40%.

........... but what I can say is that I've won thousands with bookies and lost thousands with Betfair through arbing, .....

Fair enough, I'll accept we got our wires crossed.

Spare a thought for the guys paying 40%+. I've managed to avoid PC for the time being because I've been arbing most of last year, but I can't see myself continuing when, or if, I have to pay 40%.

'for the time being' referred to the present as in avoiding paying tax, rather than never paying it (lifetime charges went over 20%). I should have said I can't see myself continuing using Betfair when I hit 40% PC. I didn't mean avoiding PC until I get there.

When I said I lost thousands with Betfair I obviously didn't mean my lifetime profit is negative, that's was just through arbing.

[Atho55]

You might want to scan over this before you continue to debate who does or does not do this or that...

https://www.daily25.com/bookmakers-trac ... y-insider/

I`m sure BF will be the same or worse....

[gazuty]

You might want to scan over this before you continue to debate who does or does not do this or that...

https://www.daily25.com/bookmakers-trac ... y-insider/

I`m sure BF will be the same or worse....

As we drift miles from the survey ... BF care about PC avoidance. But the one thing BF don't care about is sucessful participants. BF are just taking 5% (+PC) out of the pool. Bookies (and some other business models like CFD providers) hope the entire pool eventaully ends up in their own pocket and that all the participants take nothing.

[Atho55]

I thought it might stop them bickering again...

I would be surprised if the major bookies are NOT reading these forums to gather intelligence so why give them any opportunity

[gazuty]

I thought it might stop them bickering again...

Fair enough.

But JSM says let them speak and let us hear.

[Derek27]

You might want to scan over this before you continue to debate who does or does not do this or that...

https://www.daily25.com/bookmakers-trac ... y-insider/

I`m sure BF will be the same or worse....

I realise you were just posting to stop the bickering but I couldn't help finding this funny.

Betting Back – don’t be fooled into thinking that every “good punter” is restricted or banned completely. Why would any bookmaker do that? Most of the really good guys have their bet taken, then the bookmaker will place the same bet at a better price back into Betfair (or at least hedge it for a loss), or place the same bet onshore or offshore at private bookies. I’ve heard things like bookmakers have systems to check arbers on particular Betfair markets but I’ve never witnessed or are aware of this system myself.