Las Vegas Gun Attack

[Dallas]

Yet another mindless attack and waste of life
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41466116

[Euler]

I may be talking out of turn here, but it's possible that not letting people buy semi-automatic weapons may help stop these sort of things. I don't know, just a thought.

[ShaunWhite]

... And in Nevada you don't even have to register it and it's not even an offense to have it in a public place while you're drunk. Who'd guess it could end badly.

[deansaccount]

The end result of this will be..... more people going out and buying more guns, to 'protect' themselves.

[LeTiss]

Piers Morgan was right - if this was a Muslim shouting "Allahu Akbar" there would carnage in America, people would be screaming for change. But, because it's an old white guy, nothing will be done

[ricardodeano]

Here is the share price for Smith & Weston for the past few days.

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Happens each time there is a 'notable' mass shooting - 'notable' in inverted commas since there is a mass shooting every day in the US.

[max_usted]

Piers Morgan was right - if this was a Muslim shouting "Allahu Akbar" there would carnage in America, people would be screaming for change. But, because it's an old white guy, nothing will be done

If it's someone doing it for personal reasons (e.g. madness, fed up with life, individual grudge against the world), then this inevitably carries different implications.

If it was an old white guy who was carrying out mass murder for tribal/political reasons, and in the name of a particular ideological or ethnic group - for example, he had shouted "Trump is King" while shooting - then that indicates a tribal (group) threat, which could develop into group conflict, meaning a far wider range of people's security is threatened.

In my view, this is the reason for the difference in reactions.

[ShaunWhite]

Says a lot about Vagas hotel security too, you don't need that much ammo to 'defend yourself'. Even the NRA couldn't condone being that heavily armed surely. Metal detectors in hotels & casinos, 10 rounds of ammo max (even that's crazy), it's not a solution but it's a start. Unfornuately nothing's going to stop someone who's mentally unbalanced.

On the subject of mortality. RIP Tom Petty.

[bennyboy351]

I may be talking out of turn here, but it's possible that not letting people buy semi-automatic weapons may help stop these sort of things. I don't know, just a thought.

I used to shoot full and small bore pistol way back - before Hungerford and Dunblane - but was forced to give it up due to the government's knee-jerk, vote-getting (just my opinion!) reaction to both tragedies.

I believe that right-minded citizens SHOULD be able to defend themselves using firearms IF necessary; but I DON'T know how I would define 'right-minded!'

Sadly, like the nut behind the wheel in a car that crashes into a crowded bus stop, its the nut-job squeezing the trigger that is at fault here.

I forget who it was that said it, but if guns are criminalised, then surely only criminals will have guns. Sadly, in the UK at least, this seems to be the case. As for the USA, they have a totally different outlook/history regarding firearms and it seems just about anyone can legally obtain and carry a weapon.

At the end of the day, people who intend to kill will do so. How we restrict their ability to do so is the big discussion!

Unfortunately - and especially now, with all this race-fuelled violence - I don't expect to see The USA (or any pro-gun country for that matter) trying to restrict it's citizens from carrying firearms.

Its sad, but with the arms industry being so powerful, I reckon this latest atrocity will just have to take its place at the top of the list for worst cases of mass-murder by firearm - for now at least........

[ruthlessimon]

The neighbours looking for their 5mins of fame with the hindsight rubbish ("never talks", "windows never open", "no furniture") really does get on my wick. He certainly had a problem, but quiet people who keep to themselves aren't reclusive weirdos. But maybe I'm biased

[ShaunWhite]

I may be talking out of turn here, but it's possible that not letting people buy semi-automatic weapons may help stop these sort of things. I don't know, just a thought.

I believe that right-minded citizens SHOULD be able to defend themselves using firearms IF necessary

I fully respect your opinion but mine is that it's all about perceived threat. We have an almost 0% chance in this country of being faced with a life threatening situation that requires lethal force and because of that, increased gun ownership will result in more innocent dead, accidental or otherwise than saved potential victims. The vast majority of gun deaths in the US do not arise from defending life or death situations and there's no reason to think it wouldn't be the same here.

It's no coincidence that the type of people who feel they need to hoard a huge arsenal are also the type who wear a tin foil hat to protect against alien transmissions. In a country like the states where guns are part of the culture OK, allow one gun maybe two and 20 rounds of ammo "for defence". But if you have more than is necessary you clearly have serious issues with threat perception. Exceptions could obviously be made for 'sport' with a requiremnt to leave guns at the club etc and no doubt other special circumstances. 50 guns and 10,000 rounds isn't about self-defence, it's a cry for help.

[bennyboy351]

I may be talking out of turn here, but it's possible that not letting people buy semi-automatic weapons may help stop these sort of things. I don't know, just a thought.

I believe that right-minded citizens SHOULD be able to defend themselves using firearms IF necessary

I fully respect your opinion but mine is that it's all about perceived threat. We have an almost 0% chance in this country of being faced with a life threatening situation that requires lethal force and because of that, increased gun ownership will result in more innocent dead, accidental or otherwise than saved potential victims. The vast majority of gun deaths in the US do not arise from defending life or death situations and there's no reason to think it wouldn't be the same here.

It's no coincidence that the type of people who feel they need to hoard a huge arsenal are also the type who wear a tin foil hat to protect against alien transmissions. In a country like the states where guns are part of the culture OK, allow one gun maybe two and 20 rounds of ammo "for defence". But if you have more than is necessary you clearly have serious issues with threat perception. Exceptions could obviously be made for 'sport' with a requiremnt to leave guns at the club etc and no doubt other special circumstances. 50 guns and 10,000 rounds isn't about self-defence, it's a cry for help.

I see your point, but as of now, we in this country are facing more in the way of hidden dangers than we have for a long time. I realise it is very difficult to decide who is or isn't the right kind of person to carry a firearm, but if the police can weed out the nutters, then surely civilian nutters can be excluded in a similar fashion?

Sadly, I think most of our current politicians live in cloud-cuckoo land and haven't had the experience - neither do they have the b*lls - to stick their heads above the parapit and make real decisions!

[CallumPerry]

I'll just leave this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

[mjmorris335]

I'll just leave this here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

The bit about slavery in Part 2 certainly hit a nerve...

Mike

[Dublin_Flyer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjhTWv9eUs

He musta did somethin!