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BetScalper
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PDC wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 2:15 pm
Sounds a real nightmare! Though I would class that as a special case as the marker would have been put on due to the police arrest rather than having anything to do with you trading under normal circumstances.

Glad to hear it all got cleared up for you. You can put your own notice of correction on your file if there is an issue with it prior to the issue being resolved/removed. May have been something you should have done at the time as that has to be taken account of when applying for credit.
My solicitor tried to get it removed and put a notice of correction on my file, however, Experian and the other big 2 refused until the Police/HMRC had finished their investigations.

It ended up being a pin ball bouncing back between Police, HMRC, Experian, My Solicitor for over 2 years. I even went to court to get my file fixed but my case was dismissed due to the nature of the alleged offences.

They all dragged their feet over it. And yes, I went for compensation too after everything was sorted out but lost that too.

Yes, a real NIGHTMARE. :x
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Don't know how true it is.

But on the news they just said the government will introduce checks to on-line gambling for affordability and betting limits.

It didn't say but I presume they mean forcing the on-line companies to check peoples credit files.

That could potential mean fewer customers for the betting/gaming industry.

Nanny state ?
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BetScalper wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 10:24 pm
Don't know how true it is.

But on the news they just said the government will introduce checks to on-line gambling for affordability and betting limits.

It didn't say but I presume they mean forcing the on-line companies to check peoples credit files.

That could potential mean fewer customers for the betting/gaming industry.

Nanny state ?
It's given the govt a chance to do an overall view on gambling, specifically the problems gambling can cause. As per usual, the tendency is to go slightly overboard and assume controls more than needed. However, gaming online ie: Casinos, should be looked at for sure, I bet some of the algo's the sites use are super shady.
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 12:47 pm
I bet some of the algo's the sites use are super shady.
I can't see how a casino could get away with that as the numbers and transactions are independently audited. If the casino was winning significantly more than the laws of probability suggests it would set alarm bells ringing and it's a guaranteed success for the casino anyway so there's no point in taking any risk.
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I don't see how the government or betting companies could do credit file checks on punters.

I suspect many problem gamblers would have a clean file, and I suspect many who missed a credit card repayment 12 months ago, are responsible gamblers.

That's a minefield that wouldn't solve any issues at all
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:05 pm
wearthefoxhat wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 12:47 pm
I bet some of the algo's the sites use are super shady.
I can't see how a casino could get away with that as the numbers and transactions are independently audited. If the casino was winning significantly more than the laws of probability suggests it would set alarm bells ringing and it's a guaranteed success for the casino anyway so there's no point in taking any risk.
From personal experience, I am not suggesting the casinos do anything dodgy but Bot/Player collusion in on-line poker is seeing new heights. There are teams of players with unconnected IP addresses running software to block the casinos spyware to catch them communicating via third party apps at the tables. I remember watching a CH4 documentary on it.

I remember playing in an on-line tournament and managed to get to the final table from 7,200 players. 4 of the 9 players left were upto something for sure as the time they took to take action was near the same and their betting patterns looked like it was the same player/Bot playing.

Not complaining because I didn't win but the final 2 in the headsup were from the original suspect 4.
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:12 pm
I don't see how the government or betting companies could do credit file checks on punters.

I suspect many problem gamblers would have a clean file, and I suspect many who missed a credit card repayment 12 months ago, are responsible gamblers.

That's a minefield that wouldn't solve any issues at all
Does anyone in Government have the brains to realise that ?
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LeTiss wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:12 pm
I don't see how the government or betting companies could do credit file checks on punters.

I suspect many problem gamblers would have a clean file, and I suspect many who missed a credit card repayment 12 months ago, are responsible gamblers.

That's a minefield that wouldn't solve any issues at all
Its like anything a government tries todo. Many will get caught in the middle and unable to open on-line accounts with average credit scores.

I guess if someone tries to place a £500 bet then it will get flagged to check into their financial status ????
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:16 pm
LeTiss wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:12 pm
I don't see how the government or betting companies could do credit file checks on punters.

I suspect many problem gamblers would have a clean file, and I suspect many who missed a credit card repayment 12 months ago, are responsible gamblers.

That's a minefield that wouldn't solve any issues at all
Does anyone in Government have the brains to realise that ?
They won't though, they will link up with Experian and let them decide who can/cannot open on-line accounts. The government already uses them allot for FSA stuff.
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BetScalper wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:15 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:05 pm
wearthefoxhat wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 12:47 pm
I bet some of the algo's the sites use are super shady.
I can't see how a casino could get away with that as the numbers and transactions are independently audited. If the casino was winning significantly more than the laws of probability suggests it would set alarm bells ringing and it's a guaranteed success for the casino anyway so there's no point in taking any risk.
From personal experience, I am not suggesting the casinos do anything dodgy but Bot/Player collusion in on-line poker is seeing new heights. There are teams of players with unconnected IP addresses running software to block the casinos spyware to catch them communicating via third party apps at the tables. I remember watching a CH4 documentary on it.

I remember playing in an on-line tournament and managed to get to the final table from 7,200 players. 4 of the 9 players left were upto something for sure as the time they took to take action was near the same and their betting patterns looked like it was the same player/Bot playing.

Not complaining because I didn't win but the final 2 in the headsup were from the original suspect 4.
A fairly famous online poker player bought into someone else's account at a final table, knowing the identity of 2 of the other players and colluding between hands. First prize was in the 100,000's so worth the effort, got caught, somehow...it was the tip of the iceberg.

Also an ex world champion was a super user of a site and knew all the hole cards of the big cash game players. Won millions, until it was proven by some of the other players that the amount of hands he won was mathematically impossible. = to winning the lottery 4 times in a row.

Anyone on line with guarded access to the software can manipulate it. A small % swing would make all the difference.
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 4:35 pm
BetScalper wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:15 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Fri May 18, 2018 1:05 pm

I can't see how a casino could get away with that as the numbers and transactions are independently audited. If the casino was winning significantly more than the laws of probability suggests it would set alarm bells ringing and it's a guaranteed success for the casino anyway so there's no point in taking any risk.
From personal experience, I am not suggesting the casinos do anything dodgy but Bot/Player collusion in on-line poker is seeing new heights. There are teams of players with unconnected IP addresses running software to block the casinos spyware to catch them communicating via third party apps at the tables. I remember watching a CH4 documentary on it.

I remember playing in an on-line tournament and managed to get to the final table from 7,200 players. 4 of the 9 players left were upto something for sure as the time they took to take action was near the same and their betting patterns looked like it was the same player/Bot playing.

Not complaining because I didn't win but the final 2 in the headsup were from the original suspect 4.
A fairly famous online poker player bought into someone else's account at a final table, knowing the identity of 2 of the other players and colluding between hands. First prize was in the 100,000's so worth the effort, got caught, somehow...it was the tip of the iceberg.

Also an ex world champion was a super user of a site and knew all the hole cards of the big cash game players. Won millions, until it was proven by some of the other players that the amount of hands he won was mathematically impossible. = to winning the lottery 4 times in a row.

Anyone on line with guarded access to the software can manipulate it. A small % swing would make all the difference.
Interesting...

One thing I find strange with on-line poker tournaments is the poker rooms initiate their own players/bots to make the minimum number of players up.

No doubt these are Bots, playing a mathematical perfect game. Doesn't mean they will win obviously but if you have 100 bots playing in a 500 player tournament then it gives the poker room a big edge.
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I’ve always been a believer and wondered why Ladbrok s never did it.

When Ladbrokes took over Betdaq I thought they would open exchange terminals in their shops.

Wouldn’t that be a great idea... able to back and lay with cash in store on the exchange and cash your winning ticket at desk once settled. Even if it meant putting commission up to 7.5%.

Ladbrokes potentially could have it away with this idea. But they would rather have a sports book with bigger margins.
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Each table inside would have its own little iPad attached to the desk. Just sign in and go and could be paid out in cash. Wish they would do it. You never know. It would require less staff than we currently have too.

No paper, no pens, no slips. Just technology.
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SeaHorseRacing wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 7:43 am
Each table inside would have its own little iPad attached to the desk. Just sign in and go and could be paid out in cash. Wish they would do it. You never know. It would require less staff than we currently have too.

No paper, no pens, no slips. Just technology.
Not sure if it still exists, but there was a coral's in birmingham that had some computer terminals set up, not for trading but for restricted access to their online website. What you mention above would be easy for the bookies to do, but they are run by retail bods and directors with an insular approach to the industry overall.

Maybe if and when USA get their shit together, their perspective may change, or further mergers and new directors with a vision.
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Not meaning to sound horrible but the average punter in a bookie's these days is more interested in betting on streepledowns or Portman park than on real racing also on the FOBT. Bookies know this and wouldn't want to spend money on the technology, equiptment etc to attract the more intelligent punters that they'd rather not have anyway. I'm shocked at how little the general betting public know about exchanges and their potential. long before I knew about trading I used to do a lot of inrunning betting. There's a lot of potential there for the general betting public I used to get plenty of winners (losers too!) by backing big priced horses making the running. You may lose a few ticks at the off but more often than not you would still beat the sp or even the betfair sp if you were quick to get on. I was amazed at how little liquidity there is on in running betting due to under exploitation.
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