Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[jamesg46]

Another lockdown is surely suicide for Boris to even contemplate. We've had plenty of time to get any hospitals adequately supplied for this flu season, but then again... we can't even get a test thats accurate so I doubt it.

Oh well, here comes inflation, another round of mass job losses and people not being able afford to eat. Do we lock down for good, or until we have a vaccine? How many industries can survive and is our system of mass produced food going to survive, we were already on the brink of inflation,

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... e-covid-19

I suppose I took voluntary redundancy at the right time because a second lockdown is gonna completely wreck the aviation industry.

Fooked if we do, fooked if we don't. What does it matter to us every day minions though, not like we have a choice.

I'll certainly not live in fear though Derek, I shoved their furlough money right where the sun doesn't shine back in July, I mean i would only have to pay it back in future taxes with a 30% pay reduction to boot and for what? No flipping choice. No thanks.

[Derek27]

Another lockdown is surely suicide for Boris to even contemplate.

All the more reason to have a lockdown.

We're really stuck between a rock and a hard place.

[jamesg46]

Another lockdown is surely suicide for Boris to even contemplate.

All the more reason to have a lockdown.

We're really stuck between a rock and a hard place.

We certainly are & at this point in time I'd love nothing more than to have one of those log cabins out in the middle of nowhere 2020 has been ruthless and it doesn't look like 2021 is a year of new prosper.

[spreadbetting]

I admit I'm a bit baffled as to why the infection rate has risen over the last few weeks but the death rate hasn't. But why take the risk? .....................

We all take risks everyday, their's just have bigger consequences . I was at one of the bigger, and previously busy, London hospitals yesterday, was pretty much empty, the staff almost looked embarrassed at their lack of work.

[superfrank]

The medical establishment has a vested interest in a cautious approach and minimising infections. But they get paid 100% whatever happens while hundreds of thousands of others who rely on a functioning economy face unemployment. Early on it was correct to be cautious, but this thing could be around for years. Time for more personal responsibility and fewer state diktats imho.

Teaching unions didn't want their members to go back to work (the members probably fancied another 6 months off on full pay). It's a good job the public sector isn't responsible for our food supplies - we'd have starved to death.

[alexmr2]

I admit I'm a bit baffled as to why the infection rate has risen over the last few weeks but the death rate hasn't.

I watched a video breaking down the statistics and apparently it's just because of more testing and the building up of historical cases that the infection rate looks to be rising. The other main points made were that the Covid death wave was just a normal regression to the mean after a particularly low death rate season in the months coming up to it, compared to every other year it was barely any more deaths in total

I do believe the virus is real but places like pubs were reopened 2 months ago and there has been tens of millions of social interactions between people without masks yet the Covid death rate is down to single/low double figures in a country where 1,500+ people die every day (normal death rate in the UK)

[jamesg46]

I admit I'm a bit baffled as to why the infection rate has risen over the last few weeks but the death rate hasn't.

I watched a video breaking down the statistics and apparently it's just because of more testing and the building up of historical cases that the infection rate looks to be rising. The other main points made were that the Covid death wave was just a normal regression to the mean after a particularly low death rate season in the months coming up to it, compared to every other year it was barely any more deaths in total

I do believe the virus is real but places like pubs were reopened 2 months ago and there has been tens of millions of social interactions between people without masks yet the Covid death rate is down to single/low double figures in a country where 1,500+ people die every day (normal death rate in the UK)

This one?

https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac

[jamesg46]

The medical establishment has a vested interest in a cautious approach and minimising infections. But they get paid 100% whatever happens while hundreds of thousands of others who rely on a functioning economy face unemployment. Early on it was correct to be cautious, but this thing could be around for years. Time for more personal responsibility and fewer state diktats imho.

Teaching unions didn't want their members to go back to work (the members probably fancied another 6 months off on full pay). It's a good job the public sector isn't responsible for our food supplies - we'd have starved to death.

100% agree its time for more personal responsibility, problem is that its been a political weapon now for months and there is no chance of this going away anytime soon.

I have this image in my mind that we have a society that's now brimmed with people that I imagine are like a kid at their first swimming lesson.... imagine if the teacher just kicked the kid into the pool and said something like "get on with it child, you have armbands"

Its a political dream for the opposition and a nightmare for any current administration, they'll either get accused of murder or of destroying the econamy.... goverments now have to gently persuade society back to some sort of normal while being drilled from every angle. Society is literally destroying itself.

[Derek27]

If nine responsible people and one irresponsible person sail across the ocean with a modest food supply, the food larder needs to be under lock and key - you can't leave it to personal responsibility.

[jamesg46]

If nine responsible people and one irresponsible person sail across the ocean with a modest food supply, the food larder needs to be under lock and key - you can't leave it to personal responsibility.

Which responsible person do you trust with the key & how do you know that your choice of person isn't secretly irresponsible. We cant lock up society Derek, there are people who do irresponsible things all the time but we don't lock everyone up because of it.

[spreadbetting]

Teaching unions didn't want their members to go back to work (the members probably fancied another 6 months off on full pay). It's a good job the public sector isn't responsible for our food supplies - we'd have starved to death.

Lol, you're trying to make out all those private sector workers were over the moon to be maintaining the food supply, all on their minimum wage pay. I'm sure the shareholders were more than happy but imagine the staff were ruing the day they stopped paying their union subs unlike the teachers.

[Derek27]

If nine responsible people and one irresponsible person sail across the ocean with a modest food supply, the food larder needs to be under lock and key - you can't leave it to personal responsibility.

Which responsible person do you trust with the key & how do you know that your choice of person isn't secretly irresponsible. We cant lock up society Derek, there are people who do irresponsible things all the time but we don't lock everyone up because of it.

You have three keys with locks that have to be opened simultaneously.

What I'm basically saying is that if it takes a small minority to destroy the efforts of the majority and you know it's going to happen you have to do something to try to stop or deter them.

[jamesg46]

If nine responsible people and one irresponsible person sail across the ocean with a modest food supply, the food larder needs to be under lock and key - you can't leave it to personal responsibility.

Which responsible person do you trust with the key & how do you know that your choice of person isn't secretly irresponsible. We cant lock up society Derek, there are people who do irresponsible things all the time but we don't lock everyone up because of it.

You have three keys with locks that have to be opened simultaneously.

What I'm basically saying is that if it takes a small minority to destroy the efforts of the majority and you know it's going to happen you have to do something to try to stop or deter them.

I see your point, although its debatable depending on which scientists we listen to whether or not we could be doing more harm than good with lockdowns. I'm not a scientist though so its probably best I don't debate it with anyone.

Cant believe I've ended up getting back into this thread. That's twice I've broken my pledge of no covid thread

[superfrank]

Teaching unions didn't want their members to go back to work (the members probably fancied another 6 months off on full pay). It's a good job the public sector isn't responsible for our food supplies - we'd have starved to death.

Lol, you're trying to make out all those private sector workers were over the moon to be maintaining the food supply, all on their minimum wage pay. I'm sure the shareholders were more than happy but imagine the staff were ruing the day they stopped paying their union subs unlike the teachers.

No I wasn't. The point is that private enterprise is incredibly effective at getting things done. The state, not so much.

[spreadbetting]

Getting things done maybe, just not necessarily getting them done well or fairly though.