Guardian Automation - Greening Suggestion

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jimibt
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PeterLe wrote: jimibt
At the moment you cant use Guardian (hence this thread :D ). There maybe another way by using the back/Lay options, but if i remember correctly you cant use net stakes either?
You can always use excel, but I find that excel isnt fast enough these days (its ok for the majority of things but not where you are looking at implementing strategies that depend on milliseconds response)
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Peter
Peter - I hope this finds its way onto the task backlog at BAHQ as it's an increadibly useful approach to what sounds like an age old problem.

I'm sure if you PM'd me those screenshots and explanations, I'd get a much better feel for what you were referring to. ;)
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I too often wonder why this isn't already a feature; it's frustrating having to give away 'spread value' every time you want to green/red. A 'Use reverse odds to close/green' option would certainly add value. Pre-race, I would also use 'Take SP' to cover the possibility of not getting matched.

On a related note I feel we should have the option to offset using percentage price movement as well as tick movement, which I'll put on a new suggestion thread.
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I have a feeling that there is intentional resistance to implement this. Years ago there was the same request sent to another BF trading sw developer and it was also refused saying it is not needed and actually quite stupid idea. Here in this forum nobody from developers posted any response to that and the request is running already years in few threads. So what is behind? Personally I tend to believe that developers and related traders have this feature ready, but just for themselves. It makes a sense. Stop losses and greening used at available odds forces the price to move further in given direction and that is the place, where pro-traders are making decent profit. Often they invest a lot of money to initiate sudden price change just to trigger stop losses of other traders so that the price will continue moving in the direction and here we are. If stop loses and green/red is initiated at reverse odds at massive scale than swing trades are gone.
Yes it is controversial idea but may be the truth is not far from it...
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DavDvo wrote:I have a feeling that there is intentional resistance to implement this. Years ago there was the same request sent to another BF trading sw developer and it was also refused saying it is not needed and actually quite stupid idea. Here in this forum nobody from developers posted any response to that and the request is running already years in few threads. So what is behind? Personally I tend to believe that developers and related traders have this feature ready, but just for themselves. It makes a sense. Stop losses and greening used at available odds forces the price to move further in given direction and that is the place, where pro-traders are making decent profit. Often they invest a lot of money to initiate sudden price change just to trigger stop losses of other traders so that the price will continue moving in the direction and here we are. If stop loses and green/red is initiated at reverse odds at massive scale than swing trades are gone.
Yes it is controversial idea but may be the truth is not far from it...
I don't think the idea is far fetched in any way. I also feel that a similar resistance may be in place regards implementing a market replay feature (i.e viewtopic.php?f=20&t=11983) as the ability to fine tune rules *offline* would dramatically alter the playing field once a bunch of savvy (but narrowly failing) users were able to hone their rules to the nth degree....

Also controversial... but!!
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Peter(Le),

You can't imagine how much you helped me today by alluding to but not revealing a strategy. You paused me to ponder hard and the epiphany arrived!!. I have literally doubled my average P&L today by placing in 1/5 of the races that I normally would (the session gains are 100% via increased profit, rather than mitigated losses). Below, a typical example of what you unwittingly educated me into (i give you no thanks for making my life far simpler, i [used to] LOVE tension).

:) (i hope this scans as intended - it's a gentle rib/appreciation, as per how one would after a few beers with a good friend :roll: )

The two below were a combination of pre-race staking and IR green out...
typical example.png
typical example 2.png
Call it a coded message or karma, but I *got it* and it worked in my context - you should talk with Derren Brown :D

Anyway, thanks for the brevity... (now, was it Bob Hope that sang that?? :))

[edit] - btw, Gabster *won* (tho obvs Enchanted Moment would have been a sweet Brucie moment).. one more thing, I had to step outside Queensbury (rules) to achieve this, so work to be done in order to systemise the epiphany (and actually, am wondering if such a strategy can be systemised anyway, as this was literally all gut feel and very dynamic in makeup [i'm 100% certain you know what i'm thinking here!]) ... :shock:
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Only doubled your P&L? You need to try a bit harder today! :D
The screen shots show very healthy profits!
One area I would suggest you look at (and really get to know to the n'th degree) would be cross matching and how you can exploit it (in play)
Anyway it's nice to know I've helped someone, I've had enough help over the years so good to give back
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Peter
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PeterLe wrote:One area I would suggest you look at (and really get to know to the n'th degree) would be cross matching and how you can exploit it (in play)
Peter
In this respect, I wouldn't know where to start and would welcome feedback on that (either on here or by pm - whatever works and only if you have the time to explain it)
PeterLe wrote: Anyway it's nice to know I've helped someone, I've had enough help over the years so good to give back
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Peter
I can only thank you for making a little light bulb flick on in my head. I remember you saying (a few months back) that you had a strategy that was very simple and that no one would pay for :D... this is where my lucid dream/epiphany took shape. I have a sneaking feeling that there are potential similarities in our approach, at least on a simplistic level.

Once again, thanks and keep my epiphanies coming!!
Samo154
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Sorry to bump an old thread but this feature would be great if added!
Yorkshire Pud
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+1 for reverse greening +X ticks please!
98lewisj
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+1 for Reverse greening from me. If anyone can do this in excel or any other way please inbox me. Thanks
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98lewisj wrote:+1 for Reverse greening from me. If anyone can do this in excel or any other way please inbox me. Thanks
Not sure if anyone onboxed you on this Lewis? I believe it can be done in Excel, although I've not looked into Excel yet so I can't help you with the how I'm afraid!

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I'm hoping that it'll be in the next update and then I won't have to try and get my head around it!!
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+1 for Reverse greening
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PeterLe wrote:BA Team,
Its been requested before, but would it be possible to have a rule that alows greening up but using reverse odds? (if a number of ticks above that would be even better)
It would have made a massive difference in this last race for instance
(i can do it via excel, but Guardian seems that split second faster)
Thanks in advance
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Peter
BA Team,
I just wondered if you think this is likley to happen?
Is it technically hard to program?
Thanks
Regards
Peter
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