Automation vs Manual Trading ( Improvements for 2019 )

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mcgoo
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Dallas wrote:
Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:31 pm
I don't think anyone is ridiculing manual trading, I can't say for Mcgoo but for mine, Eulers and certainly for Letiss's manual trading still makes up most of our trading activity and I'd think the majority of BA users are predominantly manual traders still.

Also, the software is continually developed to benefit as many users as possible, in the last build released near the end of last year 95% of the new features added were for the benefit of manual traders and the build before that was also focused far more on the manual trader than the automated trader.

I think it may be the way your suggestion has been worded (and the thread title) that has caused some confusion and misunderstanding within the thread.

Personally speaking, the suggestion of having numerous markets from an event like it is on the BF site is a good idea and as Euler stated there is something already in the pipeline which should help.
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soccersaint
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That is welcome news to here that something is in the pipeline to help us.

If you wondered “Where was I heading”

In my view I have witnessed a huge change in the markets in recent times.
Fair to say liquidity is just not there in many markets and if it does arrive it arrives very late. ( Man City vs Rotherham ) less than £50 matched at o/u 2.5 and even less in other markets...tells you where the money comes from!!

My prompt to improve the basic product and offer something to attract new users is because I feel in order to help address this problem we might just need more players !

More liquidity in the markets requires more money and more players in the markets hopefully equals more money.

Therefor improve and promote a product that makes it nice and easy for new players to come on board and at the same time draw them away from the gambling scene that is Hills,Ladbrokes, Bet Victor and co...
Introduce them to trading not gambling and introduce them to Bet Angel.

In order to do that we need to at least matches the Betfair platform model and as always start with the basics of manual trading.

Thank you for your kind responses and let’s all hope liquidity improves in 2019
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soccersaint wrote:
Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:44 pm
That is welcome news to here that something is in the pipeline to help us.

If you wondered “Where was I heading”

In my view I have witnessed a huge change in the markets in recent times.
Fair to say liquidity is just not there in many markets and if it does arrive it arrives very late. ( Man City vs Rotherham ) less than £50 matched at o/u 2.5 and even less in other markets...tells you where the money comes from!!

My prompt to improve the basic product and offer something to attract new users is because I feel in order to help address this problem we might just need more players !

More liquidity in the markets requires more money and more players in the markets hopefully equals more money.

Therefor improve and promote a product that makes it nice and easy for new players to come on board and at the same time draw them away from the gambling scene that is Hills,Ladbrokes, Bet Victor and co...
Introduce them to trading not gambling and introduce them to Bet Angel.

In order to do that we need to at least matches the Betfair platform model and as always start with the basics of manual trading.

Thank you for your kind responses and let’s all hope liquidity improves in 2019

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Your never going to get high liquidity in those type of markets / games. Market makers will not get involved until the quarter finals.

They have bigger fish to fry...

And I wouldn’t rely on thousands of new Bet Angel customers suddenly filling the gap(s) in the markets.

I know a few big market makers and they have changed where they offer their money.

It’s not going to be in FA Cup 3rd Round matches. Big T20 cricket matches are turning obscene amounts of money....
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Euler wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:06 pm
We have something in the pipeline which should help you move towards what you are trying to achieve. But I can't confirm when that will be released at this moment.
i know what soccersaint pointed cause i also manual trader, the advantage using bet angel for manual trader for now maybe only in guardian. can i suggest bet angel add the simpe menu display "what if" figure for the next version cause it can also help manual trader


thanks :P
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Just_nobody wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:34 am
Euler wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:06 pm
We have something in the pipeline which should help you move towards what you are trying to achieve. But I can't confirm when that will be released at this moment.
i know what soccersaint pointed cause i also manual trader, the advantage using bet angel for manual trader for now maybe only in guardian. can i suggest bet angel add the simpe menu display "what if" figure for the next version cause it can also help manual trader


thanks :P
The 'What If' figure has been available for a while now on the one-click screen, it just needs enabling from the column chooser (calendar icon) if you want to display it
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Dallas wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:48 am
Just_nobody wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:34 am
Euler wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:06 pm
We have something in the pipeline which should help you move towards what you are trying to achieve. But I can't confirm when that will be released at this moment.
i know what soccersaint pointed cause i also manual trader, the advantage using bet angel for manual trader for now maybe only in guardian. can i suggest bet angel add the simpe menu display "what if" figure for the next version cause it can also help manual trader


thanks :P
The 'What If' figure has been available for a while now on the one-click screen, it just needs enabling from the column chooser (calendar icon) if you want to display it

ahh i see thanks Dallas just enable and try it, if it only on the one click screen mean just it just cover limited max 5 prices for back/lay? is there any solution also for soccersaint suggest in other thread ---->
"the coupon at the bottom of guardian. It looks great but to enter a trade you then you have to double click the guardian market and it spawns a new one click screen. First,find somewhere to pin it. Then remove it from view every time. Then repeat every time you need to double click a market in guardian.
Wouldnt things be simple if you can place a trade from that bottom coupon, turning it from a dead coupon to the one click version instead ? " :P
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re: Just_nobody

Do you need Guardian open ? If not, Go to (file) top left of the main interface > select (Market selection) and place that to left or right of your trading screen.Then access the market you need from there.
You can still put every thing in to guardian but than minamize it.
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soccersaint
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Referring to my recent post for suggestions on the improvement to manual trading.
What if we could improve the Bet Angel Trader basic software ? Giving traders a coupon feel much like the betfair model and improving market selection by perhaps offering them more value.

I struggle to see how at present it offers anything different than the betfair platform, it has no automation, no servants and no guardian to ease the pain of that awful betfair experience.

At £60 I cannot see why anyone would choose that option can you ?

Purely from a manual trading perspective I am trying to find enough reasons to re subscribe !
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soccersaint wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:34 pm
Referring to my recent post for suggestions on the improvement to manual trading.
What if we could improve the Bet Angel Trader basic software ? Giving traders a coupon feel much like the betfair model and improving market selection by perhaps offering them more value.

I struggle to see how at present it offers anything different than the betfair platform, it has no automation, no servants and no guardian to ease the pain of that awful betfair experience.

At £60 I cannot see why anyone would choose that option can you ?

Purely from a manual trading perspective I am trying to find enough reasons to re subscribe !
Bet Angel Trader has a lot of tools and features that will allow you to do a lot of stuff not possible via the Betfair site
Starting with the ladder interface which no one wanting to manually trade the most popular sport (horse racing) would consider trading without, there's also Dutching, Bookmaking, Advanced charting, all the global settings like offsetting and stops etc, custom settings and layout profiles and more all for just £6pm
soccersaint
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I guess I should have translated my point a bit better. BA Trader does offer features that you wouldn’t find on betfair.

If BA could deliver a coupon view for all your matches and markets like the betfair platform ... coupled with the existing trader features then that would be great !!!

I am not sure how far away Bet Angel is from offering software that makes it easier to handle your markets and makes it easier to view your markets
( especially on football ) than the betfair model ?

Even if BA doesn’t address the above market view issue I would like to understand further Eulers comments that there maybe something in the pipe line that would help manual traders in this area....

Could we be getting something like the coupon view or is market menu and quick pics filter more his thinking ?
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gzanette
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I think it would be fantastic for BA to add an “in Play” area to their market selection drop down the same way betfair does. Makes it much easier to find the game you watching on TV and want to trade.

Just an idea?
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ShaunWhite
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The latest BA YT offering was interesting, if I understood right (I did skip bits) then Peter doubled his 2017 income in 2018, largely due to automation. Perhaps that's why the focus has been there lately. He's always done some but I wonder why the big push into this area after all these years ?
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