Trading from South East Asia

[mctash]

Precisely BA, using a VPS with a response time of 15ms in those situations (automation at any level located on the vps) is going to give you a major speed advantage over average Joe connecting from his pc.

[andyfuller]

You would have thought they would route it through Malta first as by looping it through the UK first you could argue that the operations are not in fact offshore, which is why they introduced the order routing in the first place!

I agree it is an interesting point. From the BDP page it says:

"Your bet request from the UK to Betfair International in Malta
Bet request from Betfair International in Malta to the UK
Bet response (matched, unmatched, partially matched) from the UK to Betfair International in Malta
Your bet response from Betfair International to the UK
Your bet response from the UK to your location"

That would indicate that the Bet does not become Betfair's until it is received in Malta and thus until then it is still the Users. However, could it be argued that once Betfair UK receive it initially and handle it by sending it on to Malta it becomes their bet and not the Users?

If the fact that they handle it and thus it becomes their bet at that stage it would mean Betfair are liable for Levy on these bets placed on Horse Racing in the UK.

However, they are not stupid and as such I am sure they know what they are doing but I would say this is a much better area for the Levy Board/BHA to look at as opposed to chasing their tails with regards to Betfair as they are at the moment.

[ndtcbet]

andyfuller wrote:I have used one in the past. I found it very helpful when I was having issues with my local connection to Betfair. My internet connection was fine connecting to everything bar Betfair but connecting to Betfair I was regularly (I mean every 10 to 20 seconds) getting responses over 1000ms and sometimes 3,000ms+.
I experience this problem.May be, I should try a different ISP or using VPS again.

[ndtcbet]

To clarify my issue, I run a betfair performance test using betangel diagnostics, the result is:
2:51:47 PM : 390 ms
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As you can see that, about every 5s I got a very poor response time up to 1300ms, that make me impossible to trade. Is there any one else experience the same problem?. Any more suggestion?. By the way ,I appreciate the info all you guys gave me about BF,VPS.

[Bet Angel]

How about a test, we can give you temporary access and lets see what difference it makes.

[ndtcbet]

To BEtangel:
Sory I dont understand, do you mean you let me try VPS?.

[Bet Angel]

Yes, I think it would be quite an interesting experiment. Please contact support and we will set one up for a few days.

[ndtcbet]

Thank guy!

I just sign another contract with a new ISP. I plan to keep 2 connection at once to experiment with the VPS. The new connection will be ready for about a week. When It's ready I may contact betangel support for temporary access to VPS to see any different. Thank guy at the Betangel Support!.

[Joao]

I'm in Portugal, will I feel any major difference if I use the VPS?

Thanks!

EDIT: Would a VPS located in malta be better for international traders?

[aligammack]

As an international trader I was recently advised to try another trading platform which seemed much faster than BetAngel. It felt like BA on VPS but without the VPS.

How is this possible? Will response times on future versions of BA get faster?

I would just like to add that while trying this I actually lost money and I put that down to missing the advance charting.

[Bet Angel]

As you know, I trade all the time using Bet Angel. This is a massive incentive to make sure it is operating at its best , so we do spend a lot of time looking at the way we interface with Betfair. We are aware of all the positives, and negatives, of the various ways in which people interface with Betfair. We also acknowledge that different types of connections or trading styles may create different end user experiences. So we are constantly looking at ways of improving things without disrupting existing users.

I had a look at your account and you don’t appear to be using any custom connection settings. So, especially given your location, you are not getting the best performance as it stands. If suggest upgrading to version 1.25 and somebody from support will be in touch with you to maximise your existing set up. We can look at anything else at that point as well.

[aligammack]

Great thanks,

I have played around with the custom connection settings before but have never found any major difference so some technical help with this would be great. I'm sure I am not optimizing my connection at the moment.

I now have version 1.25 so I will wait for support to contact me.

Thanks

Ali

[aligammack]

Thanks for your help with this Peter.

I'm noticing a big difference. I'm now using connection mode 13 and dynamic tuner is currently set at 5.

I'm going to continue to play around but all in all its working much much much better!

Ali