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andyfuller
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Euler wrote:Back below £10 now
Didn't last long, some strong support the last few days - have you been doing a Carl Ichan, Peter? ;)

The ~1,100 level seems to be a tough nut to crack. But it was a pretty impressive 2013 up over 50% on the year so not really surprised to see the price come off a bit. Though still a long way to go to get to those IPO levels. I don't see it repeating 2013's performance in 2014.
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Betfair claims gambling first with Snapchat tie-up

http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/sectors/ ... 41.article
herbie
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Price broke back through 1100p today with higher than average volume. Do you think Snapchat was the reason?
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No I don't, that news was from a few days ago but interesting to see the strong volume today on the breakout but I am not convinced by the recovery in price, 1,125 will be the level to watch.
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Back up to the recent highs. If it breaks through the level it is out to 3+ year highs.
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andyfuller wrote:Back up to the recent highs. If it breaks through the level it is out to 3+ year highs.

I see volume on this push back up is very weak in comparison to the last few breakouts.
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Betfair Group PLC Q3 Interim Management Statement Conference Call 08:30 tomorrow.
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Euler
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Conference call audio available in a few minutes: -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwq24tWlDf4
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LeTiss
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That was interesting Peter

Will you get into trouble for sticking that on YouTube?
That didn't sound like a conference call BF would want everyone to hear :)
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It appears on their web site later, so I don't believe there would be any objections.
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LeTiss 4pm wrote:That didn't sound like a conference call BF would want everyone to hear :)
How do you mean LeTiss?

I thought it was yet again very striking how little they talked about the exchange. It also sounds that it could become ever harder to see what is happening in the exchange if they start to report just sports rather than breaking it into sports book and exchange. The demise of the exchange could be hidden further.

The 1% growth in revenue on the exchange from £56.3m to £56.7 is somewhat worrying. In real terms that is a fall and it would seem that that has come from margin as opposed to growing the exchange business.

When you consider over 59% of total revenue is coming from the exchange (62.2% in Q3FY13) v 9.96% from the sports book (8.27% in Q3FY13) it is amazing how everything seems to be about pushing the sports book. The advertising seems as though it is all pretty much sports book and the whole company ethos from the top seems to be sports book.

The future doesn't look bright for an expanding exchange, though by the sounds of it they don't see any impact from the Ladbrokes exchange. The exchange market would seem rife for someone to come along and get back to basics with it.

Finally the Normalised P/E ratio at 54.98 seems crazily high to me. I would be interested to hear anyone's views on this.
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LeTiss
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I mean exactly what you went on to say

BF have been convincing us the exchange remains a key aspect of their focus, yet they hardly mentioned it all - everything seems geared towards the sportsbook and casino

I thought that was something they'd rather not make public
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The conference call was geared to city investors and is public for shareholders and potential share holders.

They are averaging 8% margin on the sportsbook and 4% margin on the exchange.

I hope the "price rush" gimmick works and brings moreliquidity to the exchange and it might well help betfairs market share, but if its expensive to develop and run compared to the sportsbook the institutional investors will say why bother?
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andyfuller wrote: The future doesn't look bright for an expanding exchange, though by the sounds of it they don't see any impact from the Ladbrokes exchange.
It might just be my personal view, but Ladbrokes haven't developed or pushed this as hard as I thought they may do. I just think it has been a bit disappointing? :(
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PeterLe wrote:
andyfuller wrote: The future doesn't look bright for an expanding exchange, though by the sounds of it they don't see any impact from the Ladbrokes exchange.
It might just be my personal view, but Ladbrokes haven't developed or pushed this as hard as I thought they may do. I just think it has been a bit disappointing? :(
Exactly what I was thinking - Where is this new api? That's they key to their success. If they just show traded amounts
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