off set with greening not greening up

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alun63
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:33 am

i have a bot using an offset with greening before the off 99% of the time when the lays get matched it greens up fine but occasionally when they are matched it doesnt green up is this due to using liabillity stakes ? i need to find an answer because each time its happened has resulted in large losses when it goes in play ive tries a green up but that to has greened up in play turning a profit into a loss. i assumed if i use an offset with greening then i shouldnt need a green up rule? I would appreciate any help the community could offer.

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Dallas
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:15 pm

Have you got a log for one of these markets its happened on?

If your using Offset bet with greening you will still require a green up rule if the offsets are not matched

alun63
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:17 pm

Thanks Dallas i have added a green up rule with a matched bets condition which works pre-play but i was trying to avoid a green up rule in play as it seems to turn a profit into a loss more often than not! i dont have a log as i still havent worked out how to save them but if it happens again ill save it and post it.

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Dallas
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:39 pm

Older logs can be found by going into;
Settings > edit settings > behaviour

So you might find it in their if its been saved

A green up rule will do exactly that by taking the best prices available at the time it triggers but you can use conditions to tell it to only trigger if a P/L is < or > than the amount you choose - however this means if a price continues going against you then the loss is going to increase

alun63
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Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:22 pm

thanks for the tip Dallas ive found the log

09/10/2017 17:43:26: Market changed to Kemp 9th Oct - 17:55 6f Nov Stks
09/10/2017 17:50:40: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 Back bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.69. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881790755 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks with greening. )
09/10/2017 17:50:42: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 of unmatched bet (Ref:104881790755) was filled before remainder was killed.
09/10/2017 17:50:42: [G_Auto] : £ 29.16 Lay bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.68. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881792855
09/10/2017 17:50:56: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 Back bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.69. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881805021 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks with greening. )
09/10/2017 17:51:01: [G_Auto] : £ 29.85 Back bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.67. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881809633 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks with greening. )
09/10/2017 17:51:03: [G_Auto] : £ 29.85 of unmatched bet (Ref:104881809633) was filled before remainder was killed.
09/10/2017 17:51:03: [G_Auto] : £ 30.03 Lay bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.66. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881812094
09/10/2017 17:51:05: [G_Auto] : £ 29.85 Back bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.67. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881813478 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks with greening. )
09/10/2017 17:51:06: [G_Auto] : £ 29.85 of unmatched bet (Ref:104881813478) was filled before remainder was killed.
09/10/2017 17:51:06: [G_Auto] : £ 30.03 Lay bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.66. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881814454
09/10/2017 17:51:07: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 unmatched bet (Ref:104881805021) was killed.
09/10/2017 17:51:09: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 Back bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.69. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881816855 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks with greening. )
09/10/2017 17:51:13: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 Back bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.69. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881820783 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks with greening. )
09/10/2017 17:51:17: [G_Auto] : Unable to place back bet on Buffer Zone at 1.69. The order cannot be processed as your betfair account does not have enough funds (or has exceeded its exposure limit).
09/10/2017 17:51:19: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 unmatched bet (Ref:104881816855) was killed.
09/10/2017 17:51:22: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 Back bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.69. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881830077 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks with greening. )
09/10/2017 17:51:22: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 of unmatched bet (Ref:104881820783) was filled before remainder was killed.
09/10/2017 17:51:22: [G_Auto] : £ 29.16 Lay bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.68. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881830505
09/10/2017 17:51:23: [G_Auto] : £ 28.99 of unmatched bet (Ref:104881830077) was filled before remainder was killed.
09/10/2017 17:51:23: [G_Auto] : £ 29.16 Lay bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.68. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881831111
09/10/2017 17:53:17: [G_Auto] : £ 29.41 Back bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.68. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881953983 ( Fill or kill bet with 10 seconds delay. Offsetting by 1 ticks with greening. )
09/10/2017 17:53:19: [G_Auto] : £ 29.41 of unmatched bet (Ref:104881953983) was filled before remainder was killed.
09/10/2017 17:53:19: [G_Auto] : £ 29.59 Lay bet placed on Buffer Zone at 1.67. Entirely unmatched when it initially reached the market. Ref: 104881957070
09/10/2017 17:54:59: [G_Auto] : Modify bet persistence 104881812094 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'
09/10/2017 17:54:59: [G_Auto] : Modify bet persistence 104881814454 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'
09/10/2017 17:54:59: [G_Auto] : Modify bet persistence 104881957070 from 'Cancel' to 'Keep'

although all the lays were matched it went into play not greened up and turned into a large loss when i tried to green it up

phildavies21
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:40 am

Am I right in assuming you've set your bets to keep in-play? Is your green up set to relative start time or at in play? And if its miss-firing why are you using such large stakes drop down to £2 or use practice mode whilst you fix it.

alun63
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Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:24 am

i had recently put the stakes up to £20 liability from £10 as i hadnt had any issues though im undecided if it would be better to use fixed stakes, the problem isnt with the green up rule not firing it is that the stakes are offsets with greening but when the offset is matched its not greening but it is very rare it has happened twice in 160 markets, im wondering looking back through the log i notice that not all of one bet was matched maybe that has caused the problem.

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