or 3. If the number of qualifying horses are less than the current best back price then add 1 to the stop loss pricegstar1975 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:21 amSo if I wanted to add a couple of conditions to stop this from happening would it be something like this for example:
1. Cancel all bets if the number of qualifying horses are less than the current best back price of the fav at the official off time
2. Cancel all bets if the number of qualifying horses are less than the BSP price of the fav at the 1 second after actual off time
Bet Angel - Backing Pre off or at BSP then hedge/green/red up in play
What do I put in to the option "is the signal named"? for the Signal ruleDallas wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:16 pmEasiest thing to do is add another green up rule with a fixed odds condition that the selections lay price is equal to 1.01
Sorry mis read that part and thought the stop was being placed at odds equal to the number of runners (not the number whose odds where under 10.0),
To start with on your close trade rule you'll need to forget the 'number of selections' I advised above
You will also now need a 'Set/Modify Signal rule'to create a signal and increment it in value
Then add the following two conditions to this signal 'rule'
'fixed odds condition' selections back price is less than 10.0
'signal set condition' a signal for a selection is NOT set with a value
Basically this is setting an increased signal value on each runner < 10.0, which will identify the number of runners below 10.0
Then on the close trade rules add a signal value condition to each of them
So it would look like
Close trade on selection with greening
Number of place bet triggers condition is equal to 1
Signal value condition is equal to 3
Fixed odds condition selections back price is greater than 3
What I have just thought of when typing this part is what happens if there are only 1 or 2 runners below 10.0 or if the fav BSP is already greater than the number of runners below 10 (ie, above the odds you're going to set your stop-loss at?)
You'll need to factor all that in and include some conditions around what you decide
and in the close trade rules "The value of the signal named"?
Regarding the Green Up rule for 1.01, its seems you are suggesting that the automation will only hedge when the price hits 1.01 whereas I want it to basically hit the green at 1.01 so that the hedge figure is placed ready to get matched as the race goes in play and after the back bet has gone in on the fav at BSPDallas wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:16 pmEasiest thing to do is add another green up rule with a fixed odds condition that the selections lay price is equal to 1.01
Sorry mis read that part and thought the stop was being placed at odds equal to the number of runners (not the number whose odds where under 10.0),
To start with on your close trade rule you'll need to forget the 'number of selections' I advised above
You will also now need a 'Set/Modify Signal rule'to create a signal and increment it in value
Then add the following two conditions to this signal 'rule'
'fixed odds condition' selections back price is less than 10.0
'signal set condition' a signal for a selection is NOT set with a value
Basically this is setting an increased signal value on each runner < 10.0, which will identify the number of runners below 10.0
Then on the close trade rules add a signal value condition to each of them
So it would look like
Close trade on selection with greening
Number of place bet triggers condition is equal to 1
Signal value condition is equal to 3
Fixed odds condition selections back price is greater than 3
What I have just thought of when typing this part is what happens if there are only 1 or 2 runners below 10.0 or if the fav BSP is already greater than the number of runners below 10 (ie, above the odds you're going to set your stop-loss at?)
You'll need to factor all that in and include some conditions around what you decide
The easiest way is probably to add a signal value condition to your back bet rule to test the value is greater than 'X'gstar1975 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:47 pmor 3. If the number of qualifying horses are less than the current best back price then add 1 to the stop loss pricegstar1975 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:21 amSo if I wanted to add a couple of conditions to stop this from happening would it be something like this for example:
1. Cancel all bets if the number of qualifying horses are less than the current best back price of the fav at the official off time
2. Cancel all bets if the number of qualifying horses are less than the BSP price of the fav at the 1 second after actual off time
Then add a fixed odds condition that the fav's back price is greater than 'X'
Those two will give all the flexibility needed
Whatever you called the signal your setting in your 'set/modify signal rule'gstar1975 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:07 pmWhat do I put in to the option "is the signal named"? for the Signal ruleDallas wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:16 pmEasiest thing to do is add another green up rule with a fixed odds condition that the selections lay price is equal to 1.01
Sorry mis read that part and thought the stop was being placed at odds equal to the number of runners (not the number whose odds where under 10.0),
To start with on your close trade rule you'll need to forget the 'number of selections' I advised above
You will also now need a 'Set/Modify Signal rule'to create a signal and increment it in value
Then add the following two conditions to this signal 'rule'
'fixed odds condition' selections back price is less than 10.0
'signal set condition' a signal for a selection is NOT set with a value
Basically this is setting an increased signal value on each runner < 10.0, which will identify the number of runners below 10.0
Then on the close trade rules add a signal value condition to each of them
So it would look like
Close trade on selection with greening
Number of place bet triggers condition is equal to 1
Signal value condition is equal to 3
Fixed odds condition selections back price is greater than 3
What I have just thought of when typing this part is what happens if there are only 1 or 2 runners below 10.0 or if the fav BSP is already greater than the number of runners below 10 (ie, above the odds you're going to set your stop-loss at?)
You'll need to factor all that in and include some conditions around what you decide
and in the close trade rules "The value of the signal named"?
You can't use an offset with 'take SP' so you will need to trigger the bet in-play and have it 'placed at' actual SP, then on the parameters tab you can use the offset option under 'global settings'gstar1975 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:31 pmRegarding the Green Up rule for 1.01, its seems you are suggesting that the automation will only hedge when the price hits 1.01 whereas I want it to basically hit the green at 1.01 so that the hedge figure is placed ready to get matched as the race goes in play and after the back bet has gone in on the fav at BSPDallas wrote: ↑Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:16 pmEasiest thing to do is add another green up rule with a fixed odds condition that the selections lay price is equal to 1.01
Sorry mis read that part and thought the stop was being placed at odds equal to the number of runners (not the number whose odds where under 10.0),
To start with on your close trade rule you'll need to forget the 'number of selections' I advised above
You will also now need a 'Set/Modify Signal rule'to create a signal and increment it in value
Then add the following two conditions to this signal 'rule'
'fixed odds condition' selections back price is less than 10.0
'signal set condition' a signal for a selection is NOT set with a value
Basically this is setting an increased signal value on each runner < 10.0, which will identify the number of runners below 10.0
Then on the close trade rules add a signal value condition to each of them
So it would look like
Close trade on selection with greening
Number of place bet triggers condition is equal to 1
Signal value condition is equal to 3
Fixed odds condition selections back price is greater than 3
What I have just thought of when typing this part is what happens if there are only 1 or 2 runners below 10.0 or if the fav BSP is already greater than the number of runners below 10 (ie, above the odds you're going to set your stop-loss at?)
You'll need to factor all that in and include some conditions around what you decide
To make it clear and simple, these are the steps I would like to automate:
At 10 seconds out Place Back bet on favourite at 1000 with a fixed stake of £10
Select Take SP
Market goes inplay
Favourite gets matched at BSP with £10
Count number of horses under BSP 10.0 including the fav, say there are 5 (10 runners BSP priced 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, 5.5, 6.5, 10.5, 11.5, 12.5, 13.5, 14.5)
Right click on Price 5.0 to set Stop Loss
Scroll down to 1.01
Click on Green hedge figure
At 10 seconds out Place Back bet on favourite at 1000 with a fixed stake of £10
Select Take SP
Market goes inplay
Favourite gets matched at BSP with £10
Count number of horses under BSP 10.0 including the fav, say there are 5 (10 runners BSP priced 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, 5.5, 6.5, 10.5, 11.5, 12.5, 13.5, 14.5)
Right click on Price 5.0 to set Stop Loss
Scroll down to 1.01
Click on Green hedge figure
No, as per my first response you cant combine excel and advanced automation, the whole thing needs to be one or the other
Hi Dallas
Please find attached copy of the automation file I have created. It only places the back bet. Can you have a look at it please and tell me what needs amending to get it to work properly. Only if you have time of course. Or anyone reading this.
Many Thanks
Please find attached copy of the automation file I have created. It only places the back bet. Can you have a look at it please and tell me what needs amending to get it to work properly. Only if you have time of course. Or anyone reading this.
Many Thanks
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I won't have the chance to check your file for a while so I've quickly put this together for you, I've not tested it so try in PM first but it should do what you wantgstar1975 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:32 pmHi Dallas
Please find attached copy of the automation file I have created. It only places the back bet. Can you have a look at it please and tell me what needs amending to get it to work properly. Only if you have time of course. Or anyone reading this.
Many Thanks
Thanks for that Dallas I really appreciate your time spent on this.
I tried it out today and it worked. But not exactly but close enough. The only thing is I added a rule that greens all selections when the price hits 1.01 it stops the stop loss rules from triggering. Firstly I tried a rule place a lay bet at 1.01 with net stake as it goes in play and also the green all at 1.01 rule an they worked when it went to 1.01 but i noticed this stop the stop loss rules from triggering so i removed them and it worked again. There must be a conflict.
Is there somehow i can get around that or are they conflicting rules?
I tried it out today and it worked. But not exactly but close enough. The only thing is I added a rule that greens all selections when the price hits 1.01 it stops the stop loss rules from triggering. Firstly I tried a rule place a lay bet at 1.01 with net stake as it goes in play and also the green all at 1.01 rule an they worked when it went to 1.01 but i noticed this stop the stop loss rules from triggering so i removed them and it worked again. There must be a conflict.
Is there somehow i can get around that or are they conflicting rules?
On the close loss rules, there is a 'number of place bet triggers condition' is equal to 1gstar1975 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:06 pmThanks for that Dallas I really appreciate your time spent on this.
I tried it out today and it worked. But not exactly but close enough. The only thing is I added a rule that greens all selections when the price hits 1.01 it stops the stop loss rules from triggering. Firstly I tried a rule place a lay bet at 1.01 with net stake as it goes in play and also the green all at 1.01 rule an they worked when it went to 1.01 but i noticed this stop the stop loss rules from triggering so i removed them and it worked again. There must be a conflict.
Is there somehow i can get around that or are they conflicting rules?
Change this on each of them to equal 2
I've tried that but now the stop loss does not trigger.Dallas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:24 pmOn the close loss rules, there is a 'number of place bet triggers condition' is equal to 1gstar1975 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:06 pmThanks for that Dallas I really appreciate your time spent on this.
I tried it out today and it worked. But not exactly but close enough. The only thing is I added a rule that greens all selections when the price hits 1.01 it stops the stop loss rules from triggering. Firstly I tried a rule place a lay bet at 1.01 with net stake as it goes in play and also the green all at 1.01 rule an they worked when it went to 1.01 but i noticed this stop the stop loss rules from triggering so i removed them and it worked again. There must be a conflict.
Is there somehow i can get around that or are they conflicting rules?
Change this on each of them to equal 2
Hi Dallas
The problem I forsee and one that Peter has noticed is that the liquidity in inplay markets are so that its hard to get out using a stop loss if you are backing, but what if I was to turn it around and do the opposite as its easier and more likely to get filled on a lay bet with a stop in play rather than a back bet with a stop in play/
If I wanted to do the opposite and lay the fav at BSP and then put stop loss at BSP divided by the number of horses under say 20.0.
So if say the fav BSP was 2.50 and there were 5 horses under 20 I would put the stop at 2.5-1 so 1.5 then divide by 5 = 0.3 +1 = 1.30 place stop at 1.30
How would I change the rules to suit this method?
The problem I forsee and one that Peter has noticed is that the liquidity in inplay markets are so that its hard to get out using a stop loss if you are backing, but what if I was to turn it around and do the opposite as its easier and more likely to get filled on a lay bet with a stop in play rather than a back bet with a stop in play/
If I wanted to do the opposite and lay the fav at BSP and then put stop loss at BSP divided by the number of horses under say 20.0.
So if say the fav BSP was 2.50 and there were 5 horses under 20 I would put the stop at 2.5-1 so 1.5 then divide by 5 = 0.3 +1 = 1.30 place stop at 1.30
How would I change the rules to suit this method?