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alimanno
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:28 am

Does anybody know of any strategies for withdrawing winnings without being detected by the bookies?

For example.....is there a minimum amount that you have to withdraw in order for it to need authorisation by a real person? Would withdrawing small amounts at a time work?

Does withdrawing from your casino/poker wallet raise less suspicion or do they just have one finance team covering all the platforms?

Any information (while trying to avoid speculation) on how the process of authorising withdrawals works within bookies would be much appreciated.....

Thanks guys.

LinusP
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:41 am

My experience is that it’s nothing to do with withdrawals that raises suspicion its all about winning.

firlandsfarm
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:57 am

LinusP wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:41 am
My experience is that it’s nothing to do with withdrawals that raises suspicion its all about winning.
Agreed Linus except win and leave your winnings in means they hope you will bet again and lose but withdraw and in their mind their payout has gone! If I was managing a bookmaker I would want both daily reports something like ... largest wins, largest withdrawals, (and because they are not stupid and will know all the tricks) total withdrawals over time period (week, month etc.) and total wins over similar time periods. I would expect them to have 3 fundamental levels of approval … computer pays, general approval, manager approval. Of course there could be other levels within that. All businesses have 'approval levels' for payments, bookies shouldn't be any different but what those levels are is anybody's guess and likely to be different from bookie to bookie because they will be set by management based on how they see their risks. So nice idea but I can't see how you can test it and they would probably catch you with one of their 'time period' reports.

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Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:36 am

Bookmaking is a numbers game, the only concern they will have with withdrawals is in regards to AML, compliance focus on that aspect and the traders focus on the prices. A mug winning a big amount at crappy prices and then withdrawing is nothing they will worry about.

sa7med
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:45 am

you could back on bookies and lay on betfair, repeat till you lose at booky

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ANGELS15
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:45 am

firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:57 am
LinusP wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:41 am
My experience is that it’s nothing to do with withdrawals that raises suspicion its all about winning.
Agreed Linus except win and leave your winnings in means they hope you will bet again and lose but withdraw and in their mind their payout has gone! If I was managing a bookmaker I would want both daily reports something like ... largest wins, largest withdrawals, (and because they are not stupid and will know all the tricks) total withdrawals over time period (week, month etc.) and total wins over similar time periods. I would expect them to have 3 fundamental levels of approval … computer pays, general approval, manager approval. Of course there could be other levels within that. All businesses have 'approval levels' for payments, bookies shouldn't be any different but what those levels are is anybody's guess and likely to be different from bookie to bookie because they will be set by management based on how they see their risks. So nice idea but I can't see how you can test it and they would probably catch you with one of their 'time period' reports.

Interesting Firlandsfarm. I recall reading somewhere that although it doesn't 'cost' us to withdraw back to our cards from bookies accounts, technicaly there is a charge to the bookmaker. Apparently it 'annoys' them if a customer makes many frequent withdrawals.

firlandsfarm
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:01 pm

LinusP wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:36 am
Bookmaking is a numbers game, the only concern they will have with withdrawals is in regards to AML, compliance focus on that aspect and the traders focus on the prices. A mug winning a big amount at crappy prices and then withdrawing is nothing they will worry about.
Well I've had many accounts closed or limited so that must mean I'm not a mug taking crappy prices! :lol: :lol: :lol:

firlandsfarm
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:04 pm

ANGELS15 wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:45 am
Interesting Firlandsfarm. I recall reading somewhere that although it doesn't 'cost' us to withdraw back to our cards from bookies accounts, technicaly there is a charge to the bookmaker. Apparently it 'annoys' them if a customer makes many frequent withdrawals.
I don't know about card fees Angels but if that's so then again I would want a list of those who cost me above average card fees :)

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Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:09 pm

Does alimanno have a load of hacked accounts he wants to empty? Bookies will have flagged up any accounts of interest long before you start withdrawing simply by their software tracking the kind of bets, pnl, beating SP etc. Withdrawals aren't going pique their interest in whether you can continue the account.

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Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:16 pm

This thread sounds more dodgy than that greyhound race lastnight.

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