Bet Angel Automation - Shared files : Scalping the favorite

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ronniem
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Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:30 pm

Want to know why .baf is not firing? Tried to put together a quick Spreadsheet to help view the conditions and if they are met.

Hope this helps.
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sonaht
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Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:29 pm

Hello,
It will not fire on all races and on all odds.
It fires under certain conditions (odds range, odds difference between 1st and 2nd runner, volume of the market and for a certain time limit..)
I hope it helps...
Nice sheet by the way.
I am a bit behind on excel... Do you connect it like normal from inside Guardian?

sonaht
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Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:34 pm

Vexxejr wrote:Thanks, enjoy testing things like this.

But i am fairly new to this unfortunately, can anybody point me in the direction of a guide on how to use .baf files?

Alternatively explain it for me?

Thanks
a)Try to import it from Guardian automation tab.
b)Try to copy paste it on the Automation folder on the BetAngel directory.
Then import it as above.

It should work fine.
Try also the vids on the BetAngel channel on Youtube.
They help a lot!

sonaht
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Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:45 pm

chris13f wrote:Thanks Sonaht going to give it a try later and will give feedback do you have any others that work ?
I have tried U2,5 for soccer (uploaded it on automation thread)
ATM i am focused on this one. Looks more fun and promising to me...
:)

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andrejt
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Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:41 am

Yesterdays results :

WON : 3.46
LOSS : 112
TRADED : 18 markets

Something is not functioning OK here :)
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sonaht
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Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:33 am

Yes..
this rules sculps nicely but the trick is to find the nicest way of closing the trade in play....
Most of the trades during last week were completed nicely (pre play).
On 3-4 cases the horses drifted significantly PRE play and continued that way also INPLAY...

I think trailing stop or closing the trade if the profit less than -8 should work.
But there are also the sudden spikes on the price on the INPLAY time....

Still trying to find that nice and warm sweet spot..
We'll get there!

ALSO in order to find out what is not working OK on a rule you must be there and spy on it so as to specify the reasons and try to fix it for the next race.

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andrejt
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Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:42 am

Why would you scalp IN-play and not ONLY PRE-play?

P.S: I'm was also trading manually on the second computer so I wasn't able to monitor every race :) I'll be monitoring it in the future if possible...

I guess a stop loss (a couple of ticks distance) would be a great idea - if you'll fix the rule please upload it so we can test it again.

Thanks a lot!

sonaht
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Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:41 pm

As you can notice it is scalping until 1 min PRE play,
it keeps the unmatched bets so as to close the trade (hopefully) INPLAY.
So it is not scalping INPLAY....

The trick for this upload was to see some team work...
It would be fun to see a shared rule evolve through community work....

;)

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andrejt
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Tue Feb 24, 2015 11:17 am

sonaht wrote:As you can notice it is scalping until 1 min PRE play,
it keeps the unmatched bets so as to close the trade (hopefully) INPLAY.
So it is not scalping INPLAY....
Sorry I wrote it wrong here. I was thinking "Why even keep the unmatched bets IN-play and not just green/red up PRE-play" and not that you are scalping IN-play of course - that would be nuts :D
sonaht wrote: The trick for this upload was to see some team work...
It would be fun to see a shared rule evolve through community work....

;)
Count me in on the teamwork (for horse racing) 8-) I must say I'm a newbie, but I'll do my best to help.

P.S.: And as already said earlier I think the best thing here would be to add a stop loss, but in automation this doesn't work as expected - when you manually place a stop loss (by right clicking) it automatically green/reds up if the stop loss gets triggered, but if you try to do this in automation the stop loss gets triggered, but NO greening/reding up occurs.

I have already spoke to support about this, and here's the explanation :

"With offset betting with greening and stop, the stake is set to green-up evenly if the trade is successful (i.e. it's stake is set based on the price of the offset rather than the stop)..... the unmatched bet can't be left in the market with two different stakes and betfair don't support a one-cancels-other order, so this is the nearest we can get to the ideal solution. If the stake had been set based on the price of the stop loss then it wouldn't properly green-up when the offset is successfully filled.

In the case of the manual stop loss used with the right-mouse click on the ladder, this works based on the current net stake and doesn't have an unmatched bet on offer to the market, so although it has the advantage of redding-up exactly when it is triggered, it requires the manual exit of a successful trade.

An alternative approach is to place all trades without greening so the same stake is used to enter and exit the trade regardless of the price and then green all selections just before the market is expected to turn inplay (perhaps five seconds before the official race start time)."

sonaht
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Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:26 am

Today i used
offset bet (1 tick) with greening
and
trailing stop at 18 ticks and place also on 18.

practice mode on all UK and IR races.
only on two of them the price did drift a bit above 18 ticks and so it triggered the trailing stop.
it closed the trade with the correct amount on all over the ladder.

i should have kept the stop at 20 as yesterday....
:(
hard to find this nice sweet spot...

also it would be wise to give some though regarding the requested difference between the 1st and the 2nd runner so as to have a safe choice of auto scalping...

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