New beta version of Bet Angel v1.48.1 - Now on general release

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The cricket mkts (non IPL), have become incredibly gappy.

I imagine this is an impossible task, but, is thre any way to protect users, from taking red/green, when the spread between bid/ask, is say, over 15 ticks ?

I have enabled the new 'greening formula', but, havent really noticed any change yet .. but, its early days.
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An easy way to do that would be to implement a threshold on the over/underround, it's what I use when entering a potential gappy market.
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I understand u can build that rule into guardian, but, didn't think u can do it from the desktop.
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Bet Angel wrote:
Wed May 10, 2017 5:16 pm
The values are still going to be slightly different on each price on each ladder because with that column you are nominating the price and selection to use to exit. However the stake to be used will be combined so that one bet will balance the P&L for both selections.
It will typically be more profitable to exit with the selection with the tightest price increments, but that's not always the case (depending on net stake, book% etc).

If you just want to exit based for the maximum profit at that time (and don't want the additional control of selection and price) then just use the green all value in the toolbar..... that will always hunt for the bet that gives maximum profit at the current best market prices.

If however, you are seeing wildly different values, then upload a screenshot and we'll have a look. All it takes to activate the feature is to tick the setting on the Green Up page and then find a two selection market.

Thanks Peter - each column did have vastly different values yesterday. Will have another look today and send screenshot through to support if necessary. Have tick box selected in settings though.

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A quick example....not getting same green-up option on 2nd ladder and green up figure should be around £29.

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megarain wrote:
Wed May 10, 2017 7:53 pm
I imagine this is an impossible task, but, is thre any way to protect users, from taking red/green, when the spread between bid/ask, is say, over 15 ticks ?
If that 'greening bet prevention' option was added we'd need to make it very obvious to the user that the bet had been stopped.... e.g. A popup message that would need to be acknowledged. Otherwise we're going to get support queries along the lines of 'I greened-up but nothing happened'!

In situations like this, wouldn't you just offer a greening bet somewhere in the middle of the spread using the Trading Profit Column on the ladder?
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Thu May 11, 2017 2:54 pm

A quick example....not getting same green-up option on 2nd ladder and green up figure should be around £29.

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Which market is that? Can we see the P&L & Net stake values in the screenshot also so that we can test the calcs.

EDIT: Please check that you have the greening calculation switched on at the top of the Ladder (the green scales in the toolbar), that might explain it because you can't optimise something that isn't switched on.
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We just retested on a cricket market that was about to start and everything is working properly. See the two screenshots with the optimised greening first 'off' and then 'on'
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Bet Angel wrote:
Thu May 11, 2017 3:17 pm
Westerner wrote:
Thu May 11, 2017 2:54 pm

A quick example....not getting same green-up option on 2nd ladder and green up figure should be around £29.

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Which market is that? Can we see the P&L & Net stake values in the screenshot also so that we can test the calcs.

EDIT: Please check that you have the greening calculation switched on at the top of the Ladder (the green scales in the toolbar), that might explain it because you can't optimise something that isn't switched on.
Bingo! Think this was it.

Thanks for the help :-)
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Bet Angel wrote:
Mon May 08, 2017 12:09 pm
We are pleased to announce that a new beta version of Bet Angel Professional is available v1.48.0
Hi BA,
I would have thought this a great time to incorporate an option to green at the reverse price? (in both the settings and automation)
Was it considered?
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PeterLe wrote:
Fri May 12, 2017 12:38 pm
Bet Angel wrote:
Mon May 08, 2017 12:09 pm
We are pleased to announce that a new beta version of Bet Angel Professional is available v1.48.0
Hi BA,
I would have thought this a great time to incorporate an option to green at the reverse price? (in both the settings and automation)
Was it considered?
Regards
Peter
agree 100% and if a vote on that is required, then +1
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PeterLe wrote:
Fri May 12, 2017 12:38 pm
I would have thought this a great time to incorporate an option to green at the reverse price? (in both the settings and automation)
Was it considered?
Yes it was discussed and the request hasn't been rejected, but it hasn't been implemented yet. It's definitely an 'expert user' only feature, because most people when they green-up will expect the bets to have a good probability of filling immediately, whereas reverse greening will join the back of the queue.
You can already reverse green using the ladder trading profit column, the trading profit calculators and the shortcut keys. A reverse green all selections can be particularly problematic with gappy markets or fields with selections already at 1000-1. You can get potential greening P&L values that are large, but are practically impossible to achieve.

Are you just looking to green a single selection using Automation at the reverse price, or are you aiming for a reverse green all?

Would you be looking for the 'Close Trade Profit condition' and the 'Green All Profit condition' to be able to be configured to test the reverse profit rather than just the bets price profit? (Of course, the latter could include potential profit from joining the back of a queue at 1000-1).
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Any chance for that group worksheet select feature in guardian that might just save my life in 1.49 ? grumble grumble hint hint... I'm dying here selecting 1000 drop down menus a day for different markets on different sheets! :mrgreen:

For clarity, highlight all the markets in guardian to send to a particular sheet, highlight next batch of markets for different sheet and so on.. unless I've missed some feature that will already do this for me? I need related markets running on different sheets, eg football match odds, o/us and so on..
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Nero Tulip wrote:
Fri May 12, 2017 2:04 pm
Any chance for that group worksheet select feature in guardian that might just save my life in 1.49 ? grumble grumble hint hint... I'm dying here selecting 1000 drop down menus a day for different markets on different sheets! :mrgreen:

For clarity, highlight all the markets in guardian to send to a particular sheet, highlight next batch of markets for different sheet and so on.. unless I've missed some feature that will already do this for me? I need related markets running on different sheets, eg football match odds, o/us and so on..
So are you assigning multiple markets to the same sheet in Excel, potentially switching markets for a single sheet every second or so? It was never intended to work that way.... it was intended that a single market would be assigned to a single sheet (and you just copy as many sheets as required). Although even so, I doubt that'd scale into the 1000s!
Or have I misunderstood, are you waiting for one market to finish before reusing the sheet?

Do you have macros running to trigger bets and clear when the market changes in the sheet?
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Bet Angel wrote:
Fri May 12, 2017 2:41 pm
Nero Tulip wrote:
Fri May 12, 2017 2:04 pm
Any chance for that group worksheet select feature in guardian that might just save my life in 1.49 ? grumble grumble hint hint... I'm dying here selecting 1000 drop down menus a day for different markets on different sheets! :mrgreen:

For clarity, highlight all the markets in guardian to send to a particular sheet, highlight next batch of markets for different sheet and so on.. unless I've missed some feature that will already do this for me? I need related markets running on different sheets, eg football match odds, o/us and so on..
So are you assigning multiple markets to the same sheet in Excel, potentially switching markets for a single sheet every second or so? It was never intended to work that way.... it was intended that a single market would be assigned to a single sheet (and you just copy as many sheets as required). Although even so, I doubt that'd scale into the 1000s!
Or have I misunderstood, are you waiting for one market to finish before reusing the sheet?

Do you have macros running to trigger bets and clear when the market changes in the sheet?
No, I'm putting markets onto different sheets, switching markets on same sheet would cause my calculations to go mad and waste computation time on a massive scale I'd imagine.

Here is an example of the sort of thing I might do for a day...

Say I want to trade dogs win markets and place markets at the same time for the whole day, starting 3 minutes before the off for each race. I have my win markets assigned to sheet "Bet Angel Win" and the places to "Bet Angel Place". In the morning I load up all the markets in guardian, restrict refresh to 180 seconds before start and a bit after too. I now have to go through the excel sheet column and physically drop down a menu for every single market, assigning it to the right sheet. Now imagine any number of sports with loads of races, and loads of derivative markets, add in multiple strategies on different Bet Angel iterations and it can very quickly get to be well over 1000 drop down menus a day.

(I will, at this point, be the happiest person if you point out the foolishness of my ways and suggest there's been a simple solution to this all along...please! :mrgreen: :P )

I don't want to copy as many sheets as required, as the file would get massive, there's a lot of calculations on each sheet that are quite taxing on the cpu, as well as macros / code running too, I've spent a lot of time optimising to the best of my ability (admittedly, not great, but ok), recommend fast excel 3.0 for that.

I just want to be able to highlight batches of markets in the guardian window, and assign them to a particular sheet, then highlight the next batch, and choose a sheet for those, and so on.
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How about this process:

Assign the correct sheet to the first market. Multi-select that and all the other markets that you want to use the same sheet using Ctrl+click (or however you currently multi-select) and then press a defined keyboard shortcut to 'assign all selected markets to the same Excel sheet' ? The shortcut would scan through the selections, find the first one with a sheet binding and duplicate that binding to all the other selections.

That would be fairly easy to implement as there are no UI changes - the request is a bit niche and doesn't warrant new Guardian toolbar items (along with user guide updates / videos etc). However, we've recently created the Guardian category in the keyboard shortcut editor, so this could be added into that.
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