Thatcher invited the Japanese car companies into the UK. They came due to handouts and tariff free access to the EU market. Thats now gone.
The EU has a tariff free agreement with Japan, albeit tapering to zero over several years. So if we go no deal our car industry (and others) are history. Maybe not on exit, but 5 to 10 years.
No capitalist organisation will accept increased cost if there's an alternative.
No deal means short term frictional trade. Exporters will lose their EU customers due to tariffs. And Ok they can switch to serving the UK customers that can't affford tariffed goods from the EU, but really....whats the point of all this aggro when nothing was broken?
EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)
Wording of latest EU draft conclusions
The BBC has now seen the text of the latest draft conclusions being drawn up by EU leaders.
Confirming earlier media speculation, they read: "The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week.
"If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the UK to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council."
The BBC has now seen the text of the latest draft conclusions being drawn up by EU leaders.
Confirming earlier media speculation, they read: "The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week.
"If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the UK to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council."
Like almost everything else with this mess, the extension till the 12th April is well thought through - it's the parliament Easter recess from 5th-22nd AprilEuler wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:02 pmWording of latest EU draft conclusions
The BBC has now seen the text of the latest draft conclusions being drawn up by EU leaders.
Confirming earlier media speculation, they read: "The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week.
"If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the UK to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council."
I don't get this extention thing. 29th of March looked like the edge that would push either side into a decision. Now that edge has been pushed back. The arguments haven't changed.
The withdrawal agreement is unchanged.
The backstop is unchanged (apart from the 'bad faith' tweak).
DUP won't accept border in the Irish Sea.
Eire won't accept hard border on island of Ireland.
Leavers are afraid of being held in the backstop indefinitely.
Remain hardliners are trying to reverse the democratic result of the referendum
No deal is the default legal position.
What an abject failure of democracy (if such a thing is possible).
Or maybe this is democracy at its most visceral.
The withdrawal agreement is unchanged.
The backstop is unchanged (apart from the 'bad faith' tweak).
DUP won't accept border in the Irish Sea.
Eire won't accept hard border on island of Ireland.
Leavers are afraid of being held in the backstop indefinitely.
Remain hardliners are trying to reverse the democratic result of the referendum
No deal is the default legal position.
What an abject failure of democracy (if such a thing is possible).
Or maybe this is democracy at its most visceral.
Still possible to back 'will article 50 be extended'
Yes @ 1.05
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/p ... .154028499
Yes @ 1.05
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/p ... .154028499
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As our resident historian maybe you'd like to tell the class 1. how long Cromwell's 'Long' parliament lasted and 2. how he famously described it?BetScalper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:48 pmCromwell, Wellington and Churchill must be turning over in their graves with laughter and horror.
So you don't have to Google it, the answers are 1. Less than 2 weeks and 2. "bad tempered". He even 'accidentally' gave extended powers to what's now the House of Lords. Cromwell couldn't organise a pissup in Weatherspoons.
Name dropping historical characters might impress 'the lads' in the pub but round here we're a bit fussier about facts and frankly your references are lacking any real relevence. That sound isn't Churchill turning in his grave. He was a highly educated man; that's the sound of him splashing around in his own piss from laughing so much at people who think Cromwell was a role model for organisational efficiency and effectivness.
I can't wait to hear what you think Dublin born Arthur Wellesley would think about the border situation. He won hard victories in Europe, now people want to run away and let them have everything we spent 40yrs working on. Yeah he'd think you were great.
Because anyone who truly believes having a proper war with all the death and destruction of homes, water supplies, hospitals and so on, is not really bright enough to deserve a vote.BetScalper wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:48 pmWhy ?,
We live in a Democracy. Which is now in serious trouble. Being dictated too by France and Germany, who run the EU.
Cromwell, Wellington and Churchill must be turning over in their graves with laughter and horror.
I am sure that you are pulling my pisser, well I hope so
Coming from an Irish family I would be very happy if I knew that bastard Cromwell was spinning in his grave, oh please God let it be so.
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Some interesting chatter going on the UK armed forces websites/forums.
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Remainers,leavers,celebs, etc all sing from the same hymn sheet. It is quite frankly a joke that a dumb population (as popular social media sites prove) should have any voice at all when all they can do is lead one off a cliff edge wearing a gormless smile. Look at the bigger picture upto decade from now . If we are still with the union, we sink with them. If we are not then we burn, led by a bunch of self serving incompetents on all sides. The people are dumbing down which is good for all experienced traders because that means the markets are dumbing down too.