EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)

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greenmark
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Archangel wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:25 am
Its quite funny that the EU gets blamed for blocking Brexit , when its Britains own parliament thats actually blocking it.
...and the blocking vote is a coalition of remainers (who do want to stop Brexit I think), but also leavers that can't accept an unlimited backstop. So its not quite as clearcut as nasty remainers sabotaging brexit.
And without the commons maths changing it comes down to BJ proroging or the opponents of no deal winning out.
So we have to have a GE and trust that we establish a majority government that can get a sensible brexit deal done. As I understand it the current deal would get through but there's no technological solution yet to avoid a hard border and thereby remove the backstop as an issue.
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The irony is that Remainers and the EU have made No Deal much more likely.

The EU overplayed their hand by insisting on the backstop (a tool to trap Britain in a customs union forever) because Remainer May was so weak and accepted everything they asked for. The resulting WA (BRINO) would have passed with Labour support, but they also overplayed their hand (hoping to water down Brexit even further).

Remainer shenanigans in parliament have given the EU no incentive to compromise, and now we're almost out of time.

No Deal is nothing to fear anyway. The government (with Remainer Hammond gone) is now preparing properly. Next boss Simon Wolfson said this week, "I think the encouraging thing is that we are rapidly moving from the disorder and chaos camp to the well-prepared camp". Remainers and the London media continue to demonise No Deal because it’s all they have left - fear is all they’ve had from the start.
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BetBuddy wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:18 am

The UK is on collision course for citizen to fight citizen. Then you will see the true cost with lives lost.
personally i dont know anyone who believes or would take part in "The UK is on collision course for citizen to fight citizen" are you prepared for that, and if so are ready to actively take part?

i doubt very much if that would happen, most people irrespective of their views on brexit have real lifes to lead, without getting involved in moronic actions.
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to75ne wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:01 pm
BetBuddy wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 10:18 am

The UK is on collision course for citizen to fight citizen. Then you will see the true cost with lives lost.
personally i dont know anyone who believes or would take part in "The UK is on collision course for citizen to fight citizen" are you prepared for that, and if so are ready to actively take part?

i doubt very much if that would happen, most people irrespective of their views on brexit have real lifes to lead, without getting involved in moronic actions.
Me personally no but i do know a fair few in the Northeast / Northwest who will be upto no good when/if the time comes.
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BetBuddy wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:05 pm

Me personally no but i do know a fair few in the Northeast / Northwest who will be upto no good when/if the time comes.
thats good to hear, if the morons to quote you " but i do know a fair few in the Northeast / Northwest who will be upto no good when/if the time comes." i would hope the police give em a good kicking, i hope you would agree.
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The one thing EU is overlooking is that we are still in the negotiation stage.

Yes, there was a potential withdrawal agreement (not signed off, yet-rejected 3 time) so they should be looking to adjust accordingly. Of course they had an easy ride with Theresa May, who seemed to more or less give the nod that all will be ok...

Will it suit the EU if there's a No deal, TBH, I don't think it really matters to them either way, so the UK has to accept this is a near certainty and plan accordingly.

What doesn't help is that there are key financial indicators that have been pointing to a global recession, some of them suggest we are already in one.Of course the world could blame Brexit....everyone else does....
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wearthefoxhat wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 7:34 pm
The one thing EU is overlooking is that we are still in the negotiation stage.

They are mainly just perplexed at what is going on in London.

This was supposed to be the easiest part of the negotiations :roll:
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Got to say, I think a socialist government in the UK would be one hell of an exciting proposition. The trick would be not to get too greedy too soon. The old order and establishment should be dismantled bit by bit. Good innovative policy will create a pathway towards it.

Something definitely has to change moving forward long term. I went to visit a friend in the US recently and it's a scary place. They get so many things drastically wrong that it's almost untrue. They seem to actually do the opposite to what most sound minded people would regard as common sense.
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vankancisco wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:52 pm
Got to say, I think a socialist government in the UK would be one hell of an exciting proposition. The trick would be not to get too greedy too soon. The old order and establishment should be dismantled bit by bit. Good innovative policy will create a pathway towards it.

Something definitely has to change moving forward long term. I went to visit a friend in the US recently and it's a scary place. They get so many things drastically wrong that it's almost untrue. They seem to actually do the opposite to what most sound minded people would regard as common sense.
Please feel free to correct me but aren't the socialist governments the ones that want to curtail the racing/betting industry? I read an article in the racing post a few weeks ago about potential problems facing the future of racing and the betting industry. Mentioned in the article were that certain MPs had the industry firmly in their sights if they were to come to power. Unfortunately I can't remember the names of those MPs and the parties they represent..
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ANGELS15 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:59 am
vankancisco wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:52 pm
Got to say, I think a socialist government in the UK would be one hell of an exciting proposition. The trick would be not to get too greedy too soon. The old order and establishment should be dismantled bit by bit. Good innovative policy will create a pathway towards it.

Something definitely has to change moving forward long term. I went to visit a friend in the US recently and it's a scary place. They get so many things drastically wrong that it's almost untrue. They seem to actually do the opposite to what most sound minded people would regard as common sense.
Please feel free to correct me but aren't the socialist governments the ones that want to curtail the racing/betting industry? I read an article in the racing post a few weeks ago about potential problems facing the future of racing and the betting industry. Mentioned in the article were that certain MPs had the industry firmly in their sights if they were to come to power. Unfortunately I can't remember the names of those MPs and the parties they represent..
Yvette Cooper is one (Labour) and possibly the person that could lead an interim Government if Boris losses a no confidence vote. She has some very dangerous left ideas on the direction the UK should take. I wouldn't let her walk my dog.
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Thanks Betbuddy I thought is was labour. They've come a long way from the 90s when one of their top Leaders (can't remember the name) was very supportive of evening opening of betting shops and Sunday racing. There has been a lot of media focus lately on problem gambling and clearly there are a tiny minority of people that have problems, but it's a bit like saying we should ban drinking because there's a tiny minority of people that are alchoholics.
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ANGELS15 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:21 am
Thanks Betbuddy I thought is was labour. They've come a long way from the 90s when one of their top Leaders (can't remember the name) was very supportive of evening opening of betting shops and Sunday racing. There has been a lot of media focus lately on problem gambling and clearly there are a tiny minority of people that have problems, but it's a bit like saying we should ban drinking because there's a tiny minority of people that are alchoholics.
Or being allowed to claim legitimate business expenses because a tiny minority of MP's can't control their own spending and abuse that privilege ;)
BetBuddy
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ANGELS15 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:21 am
Thanks Betbuddy I thought is was labour. They've come a long way from the 90s when one of their top Leaders (can't remember the name) was very supportive of evening opening of betting shops and Sunday racing. There has been a lot of media focus lately on problem gambling and clearly there are a tiny minority of people that have problems, but it's a bit like saying we should ban drinking because there's a tiny minority of people that are alchoholics.
When you see these figures though, its rather worrying on how much Alcohol abuse costs, even for a minority. :o
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spreadbetting
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Health spending was around £129 billion in 2018/19 so I'd consider £2,740M a minority too. You're looking at around 2%, I'd guess the taxes raised from alcohol more than cover it. Obesity costs much more.
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spreadbetting wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:27 pm
Health spending was around £129 billion in 2018/19 so I'd consider £2,740M a minority too. You're looking at around 2%, I'd guess the taxes raised from alcohol more than cover it. Obesity costs much more.
it might be interesting reading to see a 'league table' of NHS costs by cause or condition.
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