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ShaunWhite
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:58 pm

Crazyskier wrote:
We live in a democracy where the needs, wants and desires of the vocal few must never outweigh those of the silent majority!
I agree to a point Crazyskier but given the outcomes on offer lately, I preferred the silent majority when they were silent. ;)

The (other) problem with democracy is that so few people turn out to vote. There's never been an election or referendum where 50%+ of the country voted for the proposal that's on the table (unless any political geeks out there can correct me).

I just hope everyone can get back to being dignified and friendly (British values?). Not just with 'our own kind' but with everybody.

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Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:34 am

Would think Australia would be above 50%, given you get a fine if you don't turn up :lol: But I don't have the stats :)

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Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:47 pm

Naffman wrote:Would think Australia would be above 50%, given you get a fine if you don't turn up :lol: But I don't have the stats :)
Over 90% in Australia.

Although the hand wringing in this article would have you think crisis http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/ ... qnij2.html

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Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:59 pm

What happens next: -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-st ... 79774.html

I agree with the general thrust. In 2004 somebody I know forecast 2008 and then said that will lead to a rise in the right wing isolationist policies and probably a war somewhere. With the West Weakened, it would probably come from expansionism from Russia or China. He has read it like a book so far!!

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Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:06 pm

Naffman wrote:Would think Australia would be above 50%, given you get a fine if you don't turn up :lol: But I don't have the stats :)
I should have clarified that our version of democracy has never delivered over 50%. The Aussie system should be implemented here, or the no-shows should be taken as a vote for the status quo if it's on the ticket.

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Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:11 pm

Euler wrote:What happens next: -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-st ... 79774.html

I agree with the general thrust. In 2004 somebody I know forecast 2008 and then said that will lead to a rise in the right wing isolationist policies and probably a war somewhere. With the West Weakened, it would probably come from expansionism from Russia or China. He has read it like a book so far!!
What this article fails to acknowledge though, is Hitler connected with German people, because like him, they were bloody angry!

The lessons to be learned, is not that we are currently going down the wrong path. The lessons to learn is that when a growing number become disillusioned by the establishment, you are not going to shut them up with mainstream, liberal bullshit. These people want change!

Of course, a major reason why war may happen is because there's virtually nobody alive who truly remembers the horrors of the last one. Just reading about the horrors in a book doesn't resonate with young people.
The west has become multi-cultural, and that multiculturalism is constantly being forced down people's throats, and are then being gagged from complaining. That inspires anger, so if there is another war, all Western governments and Liberal minded people will ultimately be to blame for it

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Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:19 pm

LeTiss 4pm wrote:The west has become multi-cultural, and that multiculturalism is constantly being forced down people's throats
To prevent the rise of nationalism and war. But I'm resigned to the fact history repeats and people never learn. China and Russia, perhaps others will smell an opportunity here I'm pretty sure.

The trigger wasn't actually multiculturalism really, it was the financial crash that led to those tensions coming to the fore. Prior to that it wasn't really consider a problem.

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Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:24 pm

Ultimately the governments didn't punish the culprits enough. Should have slaughtered the financial institutions, but they let them become too strong and nobody got punished for raping the ordinary folk who are now paying the price of that. That's where the tensions have come from.

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Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:29 pm

Euler wrote:
LeTiss 4pm wrote:The west has become multi-cultural, and that multiculturalism is constantly being forced down people's throats
To prevent the rise of nationalism and war. But I'm resigned to the fact history repeats and people never learn. China and Russia, perhaps others will smell an opportunity here I'm pretty sure.

The trigger wasn't actually multiculturalism really, it was the financial crash that led to those tensions coming to the fore. Prior to that it wasn't really consider a problem.
Well now we almost agree on something, because this is where I believe liberal minded governments have to take a large part of the blame. I have nothing against living in a multi-cultural society at all, but it's all about balance.

Where people are becoming angry, and ultimately anti-Islamic is because the balance has been tipped, due to western governments trying to avoid the war you predicted. There has been a forcing of people to accept Muslims, but not a forcing of Muslims to accept to a western lifestyle. That is where the anger started Peter, it just happen to coincide with the financial crash

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Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:43 pm

If I lived in another country I would do so on the basis that I accept their way of life and customs and would honor them. I can't imagine a situation where I would imagine I have the right to impose my view on my host.

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