EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)

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ShaunWhite
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Three words jimi. Dunning Kruger effect.

Politics has always just been a game of fixture lists and team news. Tusk 'winning' was as easy to predict as Brazil vs Huddersfield because Tusk is an absolute negotiating legend and has been for 20yrs.

Looking at just his recent form.
Tusk v Tspiriani - tko
Tusk v Varoufakis - tko
Tusk v Davis - tko
Tusk v Raab - tko

Only an idiot would think we could come back with silverware that parliament would be happy with. So now he's thrashed us 10-nil and we don't even have the stomach for time added on.

You might not like the team he plays for, but every sports fan has respect for a world class player. When EU11 vs UK11 came up on the fixture list there was only one result and only a complete newbie would think otherwise.
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It was always going to be messy, but I'm surprised at the extent of infighting and skullduggery in parliament. It's odd to watch a party so intent on leaving on different terms they can't even agree to leave, then all the other parties voting to get the result they want on a political basis regardless of what's on offer. It's shameful.
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BetScalper
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Not sure why we are still negotiating.

The bond and debt markets are held in London. Without access, PLC’s, Pension funds and even countries will go POP overnight affecting more than 400 million plus people.
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to75ne
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BetScalper wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:08 pm
Not sure why we are still negotiating.

The bond and debt markets are held in London. Without access, PLC’s, Pension funds and even countries will go POP overnight affecting more than 400 million plus people.
do you mean withhold, not let the legal owners do as they wish with their assets/money?
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to75ne wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:24 pm
BetScalper wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:08 pm
Not sure why we are still negotiating.

The bond and debt markets are held in London. Without access, PLC’s, Pension funds and even countries will go POP overnight affecting more than 400 million plus people.
do you mean withhold, not let the legal owners do as they wish with their assets/money?
YES.

Why we are negotiating with 2 countries we have had the most wars with is beyond belief.
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to75ne
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BetScalper wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:42 pm
to75ne wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:24 pm
BetScalper wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:08 pm
Not sure why we are still negotiating.

The bond and debt markets are held in London. Without access, PLC’s, Pension funds and even countries will go POP overnight affecting more than 400 million plus people.
do you mean withhold, not let the legal owners do as they wish with their assets/money?
YES.

Why we are negotiating with 2 countries we have had the most wars with is beyond belief.
then they would embargo us; refuse any uk flights their air space, denial of their ports, gas supplies via pipe lines cut, and electrity supplies from france cut, european ports closed to us including their allies such as norway, within 4 or 5 days, food shortages, fuel shortages and so on, forget the septics helping us out, they will go ape shit, it will cost them dearly (they love money nearly as much as guns). they are more interested in europe (much bigger market). not to mention within hours the un will issue sanctions against the uk.

probably why we will not illegally withhold their assets.
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Euler wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:03 pm
It was always going to be messy, but I'm surprised at the extent of infighting and skullduggery in parliament. It's odd to watch a party so intent on leaving on different terms they can't even agree to leave, then all the other parties voting to get the result they want on a political basis regardless of what's on offer. It's shameful.
When 75% of Parliament (remainers) are being told what to do by the "the populace" (leavers), against their own wishes, it was always going to end up like this and then add in the political power plays behind the scenes in both the UK an EU....

The deal won't go through (obvs), Parliament will "take control", and I suspect that Article50 will be revoked. This is not because of the million signatures, (they would need at least another 16.5 million ;) ) it just a power play to ensure that No-Deal is avoided at any cost..

The P.M recently gave the MP's a stern bollocking and the sentiment is that most of the public agree with her, however, it won't change their stance.

To sum up; Parliament take control after the 3rd meaningful vote is rejected. Article 50 is revoked, resulting in a longer EU extension and a general election in the summer/autumn.
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to75ne wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:57 pm
BetScalper wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:42 pm
to75ne wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:24 pm


do you mean withhold, not let the legal owners do as they wish with their assets/money?
YES.

Why we are negotiating with 2 countries we have had the most wars with is beyond belief.
then they would embargo us; refuse any uk flights their air space, denial of their ports, gas supplies via pipe lines cut, and electrity supplies from france cut, european ports closed to us including their allies such as norway, within 4 or 5 days, food shortages, fuel shortages and so on, forget the septics helping us out, they will go ape shit, it will cost them dearly (they love money nearly as much as guns). they are more interested in europe (much bigger market). not to mention within hours the un will issue sanctions against the uk.

probably why we will not illegally withhold their assets.
Then we go-to WAR with Europe.

Wouldn't be the first time and I doubt it will be the last.

UN ?, they have never sorted out sh!t since they were formed.

France ?, Rolled over in WW2. Doesn't have the stomach for a fight and cant sort out protesters. And we wont mention them selling missiles to Argentina during the Falklands campaign

Eire ?, Well they wont be selling their beef, lamb etc when its £45 per head more expensive. And I doubt French/German farmers will let them dump it on the continent without causing major grief for their governments. And we wont mention the German U boats allowed to dock during WW2.

Italy ?. There tanks still have 6 reverse gears.

Belgium ?. No comment.

Spain ?. No comment.

Germany ?. Not allowed troops with firearms outside of their own country. And we won't mention WW1 or WW2.

NATO ?. Not allowed to go against a member country in any circumstances. And they couldn't without the help of the USA.

The Dutch, Norwegians, Swedes, Dane's and Poles would more than likely side with us in any potential conflict.
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to75ne
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maybe it would be better if people should have to pass an intelligence test before they are allowed to vote?
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to75ne wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:39 pm
maybe it would be better if people should have to pass an intelligence test before they are allowed to vote?
Why ?,

We live in a Democracy. Which is now in serious trouble. Being dictated too by France and Germany, who run the EU.

Cromwell, Wellington and Churchill must be turning over in their graves with laughter and horror.
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Thatcher invited the Japanese car companies into the UK. They came due to handouts and tariff free access to the EU market. Thats now gone.

The EU has a tariff free agreement with Japan, albeit tapering to zero over several years. So if we go no deal our car industry (and others) are history. Maybe not on exit, but 5 to 10 years.

No capitalist organisation will accept increased cost if there's an alternative.

No deal means short term frictional trade. Exporters will lose their EU customers due to tariffs. And Ok they can switch to serving the UK customers that can't affford tariffed goods from the EU, but really....whats the point of all this aggro when nothing was broken?
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Wording of latest EU draft conclusions

The BBC has now seen the text of the latest draft conclusions being drawn up by EU leaders.

Confirming earlier media speculation, they read: "The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week.

"If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the UK to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council."
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Euler wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:02 pm
Wording of latest EU draft conclusions

The BBC has now seen the text of the latest draft conclusions being drawn up by EU leaders.

Confirming earlier media speculation, they read: "The European Council agrees to an extension until 22 May 2019, provided the Withdrawal Agreement is approved by the House of Commons next week.

"If the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons next week, the European Council agrees to an extension until 12 April 2019 and expects the UK to indicate a way forward before this date for consideration by the European Council."
Like almost everything else with this mess, the extension till the 12th April is well thought through - it's the parliament Easter recess from 5th-22nd April
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I don't get this extention thing. 29th of March looked like the edge that would push either side into a decision. Now that edge has been pushed back. The arguments haven't changed.
The withdrawal agreement is unchanged.
The backstop is unchanged (apart from the 'bad faith' tweak).
DUP won't accept border in the Irish Sea.
Eire won't accept hard border on island of Ireland.
Leavers are afraid of being held in the backstop indefinitely.
Remain hardliners are trying to reverse the democratic result of the referendum
No deal is the default legal position.
What an abject failure of democracy (if such a thing is possible).
Or maybe this is democracy at its most visceral.
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Still possible to back 'will article 50 be extended'
Yes @ 1.05
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/p ... .154028499
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