Faster Pics Anyone?

[johnsheppard]

I think we all would wooley. I haven't been following this thread but the fact that it's now run into nine pages from the original request, gone off-topic, and nobody has posted the holy grail that we all want suggests it either doesn't exist or nobody knows of it.

There's a business plan for someone. High priced low latency feeds (facetimed/skyped). I would presume it's illegal or at least would get you kicked out. Wonder how much people would pay for it.

[Derek27]

I think we all would wooley. I haven't been following this thread but the fact that it's now run into nine pages from the original request, gone off-topic, and nobody has posted the holy grail that we all want suggests it either doesn't exist or nobody knows of it.

There's a business plan for someone. High priced low latency feeds (facetimed/skyped). I would presume it's illegal or at least would get you kicked out. Wonder how much people would pay for it.

I'm sure people would pay a lot of money for fast pics as they're in such high demand, but there are so many traders making money on the exchange with what we've got at the moment, and some without even looking at pics, perhaps some people make money on the exchange whilst watching pornography (not a reference to me), so I don't really see why there is so much fuss over them.

I wonder how many people who desire fast pics and got them would reap the benefits they were expecting, especially if they were available to everybody else.

[ShaunWhite]

There's a business plan for someone. High priced low latency feeds (facetimed/skyped). I would presume it's illegal or at least would get you kicked out. Wonder how much people would pay for it.

Or why not broadcast it to the whole world and get a big illuminated 'Skeye' sign made to put over your front door....oh yes, broadcast rights.
A few people might share the idea but it would always be a very shady 'business'. That's if you can ever have a video call that didn't glitch, freeze or go into 80x40 mode every 2 minutes.

[TipTopTrader]

Has anyone investigated a commerical sky subscription. Where you have the dish installed and runs straight thru to your TV.

I remeber an Australian pro punter mentioning it a few years ago. He said if you're going to trade in play you need a commercial sky subscription which cost around $400 a month, and I'm sure the installation would be extra.

I have no interest in trading in play. My race reading skills aren't worth the investment.

Its just a suggestion. I haven't done any real research into it myself.I can't comfirm or deny if it works or not.

I'm just passing on the information I have heard. I would be making sure it's worth it before investing.

Good luck in play traders!!!

[ANGELS15]

I think we all need to bear in mind with any pictures fast or otherwise is that they can be slightly misleading. The number of times I've seen picture angles where a horse looks like it's a length behind another horse but the commentator says it's 4 lengths behind. Another example a head on tv view, 2 horses approaching a fence looking as if they're upsides each other but as they jump one lands with a 2 lenghth lead. Yet another example at some courses the camera zooms in on 2 horses fighting out the finish one maybe a length up and you wonder why it's not odds on. What you don't get from the tv narrow field of view is the distance they have to go to the line and there's plenty of time for the horse in second to overtake and win, but it would be obvious to those watching on course. We're also looking at a 2d image and there's no substitute for the live natural 3d panormamic view on course which the proffesionals have.

[napshnap]

I think we all would wooley. I haven't been following this thread but the fact that it's now run into nine pages from the original request, gone off-topic, and nobody has posted the holy grail that we all want suggests it either doesn't exist or nobody knows of it.

There's a business plan for someone. High priced low latency feeds (facetimed/skyped). I would presume it's illegal or at least would get you kicked out. Wonder how much people would pay for it.

I'm sure people would pay a lot of money for fast pics as they're in such high demand, but there are so many traders making money on the exchange with what we've got at the moment, and some without even looking at pics, perhaps some people make money on the exchange whilst watching pornography (not a reference to me), so I don't really see why there is so much fuss over them.

I wonder how many people who desire fast pics and got them would reap the benefits they were expecting, especially if they were available to everybody else.

[ANGELS15]

Just remembered another example of the advantage on course race readers have. A few days ago I was watching a Brighton race on SIS. One of my horses I had 'DOBBED' had quickly built up a decent lead. I noticed the in-running price had drifted quite markedly. I was puzzled as it seemed a little premature to write it off. Then a few seconds later I noticed something odd about the way the horse was running and wondered if the tack had broken. A few seconds after that the horse was dropping through the field and was pulled up as if something amiss. I would guess that on course proffesionals had spotted something was wrong far quicker than those viewing on SIS.

[Derek27]

There's a business plan for someone. High priced low latency feeds (facetimed/skyped). I would presume it's illegal or at least would get you kicked out. Wonder how much people would pay for it.

I'm sure people would pay a lot of money for fast pics as they're in such high demand, but there are so many traders making money on the exchange with what we've got at the moment, and some without even looking at pics, perhaps some people make money on the exchange whilst watching pornography (not a reference to me), so I don't really see why there is so much fuss over them.

I wonder how many people who desire fast pics and got them would reap the benefits they were expecting, especially if they were available to everybody else.

[Kai]

nobody has posted the holy grail that we all want suggests it either doesn't exist or nobody knows of it.

Or people just don't want to talk about it on a public forum because advertising such services can only hurt their "edge". I have no personal interest in speed-based trading/betting styles and will never advertise or recommend any such service (so nobody should bother asking) but AFAIK there are services out there that offer this for all 3 major trading sports, they can even be found by simply googling them so not sure why people keep asking instead of searching for them themselves. They differ in quality, speed and legality but the important thing here is that the average Joe probably can't even afford most good services so it's all pointless anyway.

Some good traders still use fast pic services but a lot of them have suffered significant diminishing returns over the years because everyone started doing it, so some people have moved on to other things or quit altogether. Idk how others feel but in the context of inplay racing my own conclusion is that it's hardly worth doing for average Joe traders, they're better off investing their time and energy into a different approach that doesn't revolve around fast pics.

[The Silk Run]

hi
i would be interested in faster pics for uk and irish horse racing that are ahead of the blv and racing tv pics , thanks

I purchased a Racing TV day pass today for £10, for UK Eire Horse Racing. NOT sure if this due to the volume of Saturday scheduling but I was averaging a 4 second delay in-play. Terrible !!!

[JollyGreen]

I have not read every post in this thread so if I have repeated anything I apologise now.

Fast pictures have almost always been the Holy Grail, but as already mentioned, there are plenty more people involved today. They are all chasing a slice of the same pie. You had players at the course, then came trading rooms, then SiS, then pre-production feeds, the list seems endless. There are now people paying for Facetime pictures live from the course. I didn't think they would hack PowerVu, but suddenly, someone was handing out BISS codes, and you could get feeds faster than SiS. I am not sure if they are still available as I have not ventured back into this game.

I first tried this 29/04/08 by going to the course, phoning Peter and calling the action. I remember it for three reasons. I called a horse playing up at Bath just before entering the stalls; Peter could place lay bets long before the price drifted markedly. The staff at Bath challenged me and asked me to cease or leave. I ended up being a bit sneakier, so they didn't see me! I then drove to Wolverhampton for the evening meeting, and I called Curzon Prince as the winner. We could back at around 1.50 as it was pretty much crossing the line The third thing I remember is it pouring with rain and Peter watching me on TV, I looked like a drowned rat Yes, there were other successful trades, but those three things stick in my mind.

Despite fast feeds, you still need a fraction of ability when reading a race, and some people do not have it. They think it is low hanging fruit waiting for them to pick. As I said at the start, they are all chasing the same slice of the pie, and it reaches a point where some are trying to anticipate what other players are going to do. That is a slippery slope, and many have gone down it.

I also hear a lot of the feeds will end up being broadcast using fibre optic cables, and some may have already done so. As I said, I am not in that game anymore so could be on a slow data feed myself

[JollyGreen]

I called Curzon Prince as the winner. We could back at around 1.50 as it was pretty much crossing the line

I must add, this was eleven years ago, and it would not be possible today with so many people trying it!! It was also the only time Peter and I tried it with success. I did call him from Chepstow one evening, but it is a lousy viewing course, and I could not see the appropriate action.

JG

[carravin]

used to use SIS satellite (system/company different now), unsure of delay(physicality of up/down etc!
i research for in running myself and there is a company that you can buy the feed direct from the course(obv' not cheap)but quicker than anything else(can't remember by how much) but not added delay! so defo quicker!

only a couple of years ago or so!

what i was looking for actually when came across this!

i wanted to see if faster football feed as well out of interest.
i think is like most things related in this line of interest! not much help,even in basic way!
fully understand those with some modicum of success or edge keeping shtum,

i was trying to get help with my BA Guardian writing as foreign to me but although some advertise script writing
was difficult to find.

also spoke to a company that write for other software e.t.c upwards of a 1k to write and giving them my formula,silence since but also an open thing as no definitive and ongoing!

[carravin]

The Perform Group (Progressive Sports Media)
also just read this from some time ago tho'

[trader44]

Theres a rumour racing tv are speeding the pictures up in april but we can wait and see