Faster Pics Anyone?

[ShaunWhite]

then there's no edge because everyone has it.

I know you like to be a contrarian, for whatever reasons , Shaun, but just because you can't see how to exploit extra or faster data doesn't mean other's can't.

I don't like to be a contrarian, I'm just drawn that way

I can see how to exploit extra or faster data, I spend every waking hour of my life just doing that, and I've spent over a year full time developing a system to gain a clear advantage over people using off-the-shelf software. So I get it. But what I'm saying (and it related to gps data only) is that there's only going to be a tiny tiny handful who can get anything useful out of raw gps data, if at all. It sounds easy but it's not when you get into the detail.

[sa7med]

then there's no edge because everyone has it.

I know you like to be a contrarian, for whatever reasons , Shaun, but just because you can't see how to exploit extra or faster data doesn't mean other's can't.

I don't like to be a contrarian, I'm just drawn that way

I can see how to exploit extra or faster data, I spend every waking hour of my life just doing that, and I've spent over a year full time developing a system to gain a clear advantage over people using off-the-shelf software. So I get it. But what I'm saying (and it related to gps data only) is that there's only going to be a tiny tiny handful who can get anything useful out of raw gps data, if at all. It sounds easy but it's not when you get into the detail.

So you're the one beating me to all those prices! Been having a lot of trouble with that lately. Everytime my bot spots something its taken before it can even place a bet. So running things through API will be faster than Bet Angel?

[spreadbetting]

I can see how to exploit extra or faster data, I spend every waking hour of my life just doing that, and I've spent over a year full time developing a system to gain a clear advantage over people using off-the-shelf software. So I get it.

So you get it but the people discussing it on the forum don't?

But what I'm saying (and it related to gps data only) is that there's only going to be a tiny tiny handful who can get anything useful out of raw gps data, if at all. It sounds easy but it's not when you get into the detail.

What's to say they won't be one of those "tiny tiny handful". I'm not sure that tiny handful is as tiny as you think, many simple edges still exist on the exchanges and still baffles me why. I rationalise it by the fact no one is trying to retire from the next race and they'll always be scraps leftover either from people going for bigger fish, people hitting their own betting bot limits or people simply don't want to bend down and pick up the loose change.

[ruthlessimon]

many simple edges still exist on the exchanges and still baffles me why. or people simply don't want to bend down and pick up the loose change.

Let's say a manual trader can make £15k a yr - but can't automate it. Yea, he's got an edge, but he won't be able to live. Hence leaves it for someone else

[ShaunWhite]

What's to say they won't be one of those "tiny tiny handful". I'm not sure that tiny handful is as tiny as you think, many simple edges still exist on the exchanges and still baffles me why.

Again, I wasn't refering to the game in general, just the very specific topic of raw gps data and it's usefulness to anyone who hasn't got a degree which included Cartesian geometry, cartography and a hint of fluid dynamics. I wasn't suggesting that people here don't know how to find and exploit an edge using the data already available, which may in the future include some prepackaged 2nd hand tracking info. I say 2nd hand because someone somewhere will be adding that value to the raw data, so it's odds on they'll be getting the first look at it.

[ShaunWhite]

So you're the one beating me to all those prices! Been having a lot of trouble with that lately. Everytime my bot spots something its taken before it can even place a bet.

So running things through API will be faster than Bet Angel?

1.No comment.

2. BA is a great piece of software and suprisingly rapid, it's more than fast enough for the large majority of situations. But there's no doubt that a piece of software that's written to perform one very specific task will always beat something that's trying to be all things to all men, when performing that one specific task. The initial reason for writing my own software was because I felt Guardian was missing some key features and wasn't suitable for what I wanted to do, the speed was a happy accident and probably just down to the fact that it does nothing else rather than by design.

[Black Ladder]

I thought this topic was about Faster Pics. Not how to open in the kneeling position and close in a heap. Drifted somewhat ...

[Black Ladder]

Live Streaming is a misnomer. iGamble in-play using a SIS satellite feed and place my bets using BA in-play trader interface. Being able to race read is a very important part of this stratergy.

May I further add that anybody considering SIS IPTV should avoid this medium, for time being. The imagery is excellent, BUT latency and delay is extremely poor. And the big internet providers will add their delays to discourage you from viewing it due to the copyrights attached, and that's through a VPN.

[wooley]

hi
i would be interested in faster pics for uk and irish horse racing that are ahead of the blv and racing tv pics , thanks

[Derek27]

I think we all would wooley. I haven't been following this thread but the fact that it's now run into nine pages from the original request, gone off-topic, and nobody has posted the holy grail that we all want suggests it either doesn't exist or nobody knows of it.

[johnsheppard]

I think we all would wooley. I haven't been following this thread but the fact that it's now run into nine pages from the original request, gone off-topic, and nobody has posted the holy grail that we all want suggests it either doesn't exist or nobody knows of it.

There's a business plan for someone. High priced low latency feeds (facetimed/skyped). I would presume it's illegal or at least would get you kicked out. Wonder how much people would pay for it.

[Derek27]

I think we all would wooley. I haven't been following this thread but the fact that it's now run into nine pages from the original request, gone off-topic, and nobody has posted the holy grail that we all want suggests it either doesn't exist or nobody knows of it.

There's a business plan for someone. High priced low latency feeds (facetimed/skyped). I would presume it's illegal or at least would get you kicked out. Wonder how much people would pay for it.

I'm sure people would pay a lot of money for fast pics as they're in such high demand, but there are so many traders making money on the exchange with what we've got at the moment, and some without even looking at pics, perhaps some people make money on the exchange whilst watching pornography (not a reference to me), so I don't really see why there is so much fuss over them.

I wonder how many people who desire fast pics and got them would reap the benefits they were expecting, especially if they were available to everybody else.

[ShaunWhite]

There's a business plan for someone. High priced low latency feeds (facetimed/skyped). I would presume it's illegal or at least would get you kicked out. Wonder how much people would pay for it.

Or why not broadcast it to the whole world and get a big illuminated 'Skeye' sign made to put over your front door....oh yes, broadcast rights.
A few people might share the idea but it would always be a very shady 'business'. That's if you can ever have a video call that didn't glitch, freeze or go into 80x40 mode every 2 minutes.

[TipTopTrader]

Has anyone investigated a commerical sky subscription. Where you have the dish installed and runs straight thru to your TV.

I remeber an Australian pro punter mentioning it a few years ago. He said if you're going to trade in play you need a commercial sky subscription which cost around $400 a month, and I'm sure the installation would be extra.

I have no interest in trading in play. My race reading skills aren't worth the investment.

Its just a suggestion. I haven't done any real research into it myself.I can't comfirm or deny if it works or not.

I'm just passing on the information I have heard. I would be making sure it's worth it before investing.

Good luck in play traders!!!

[ANGELS15]

I think we all need to bear in mind with any pictures fast or otherwise is that they can be slightly misleading. The number of times I've seen picture angles where a horse looks like it's a length behind another horse but the commentator says it's 4 lengths behind. Another example a head on tv view, 2 horses approaching a fence looking as if they're upsides each other but as they jump one lands with a 2 lenghth lead. Yet another example at some courses the camera zooms in on 2 horses fighting out the finish one maybe a length up and you wonder why it's not odds on. What you don't get from the tv narrow field of view is the distance they have to go to the line and there's plenty of time for the horse in second to overtake and win, but it would be obvious to those watching on course. We're also looking at a 2d image and there's no substitute for the live natural 3d panormamic view on course which the proffesionals have.