It's not a misnomer.
One presumes that people go to the extent to do this? that is, get transmitters installed in the intestines of horses communicating with a central command unit with dedicated bot plugged straight into the betfair servers via event horizon packet transmitters?ShaunWhite wrote: I'd only trade in-play if I could get an accelerometer into the saddle cloths and automatically trade on course...and even then only if I could get the Racetech lorry to insert a bit more delay for the rest of the world.
Saddlecloth GPS has already been trialed but has far too many complications from a practical perspective to be useful to punters.johnsheppard wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:58 pmOne presumes that people go to the extent to do this? that is, get transmitters installed in the intestines of horses communicating with a central command unit with dedicated bot plugged straight into the betfair servers via event horizon packet transmitters?ShaunWhite wrote: I'd only trade in-play if I could get an accelerometer into the saddle cloths and automatically trade on course...and even then only if I could get the Racetech lorry to insert a bit more delay for the rest of the world.
Like what you guys think would be the leading edge people are working on? I would guess its something stupid like the above...
Automated strategies / accounts make far more than manual players.ShaunWhite wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:27 pmSaddlecloth GPS has already been trialed but has far too many complications from a practical perspective to be useful to punters.johnsheppard wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:58 pmOne presumes that people go to the extent to do this? that is, get transmitters installed in the intestines of horses communicating with a central command unit with dedicated bot plugged straight into the betfair servers via event horizon packet transmitters?ShaunWhite wrote: I'd only trade in-play if I could get an accelerometer into the saddle cloths and automatically trade on course...and even then only if I could get the Racetech lorry to insert a bit more delay for the rest of the world.
Like what you guys think would be the leading edge people are working on? I would guess its something stupid like the above...
https://view.joomag.com/igaming-busines ... 13?page=21
That's from 3 years ago and it's proved to be little more than a gimmick.
It's going to be a decade before a purely technological solution can outperform someone with a lifeime of experience watching horses and horseracing.
I get where your coming from but I only have online streams available to me as I dont have sky or virgin. ATR is 15 seconds behind online and Racing TV is 9 seconds behind my interests are pre race trading not in play any suggestions BF live stream is good but only shows the last 4 minutes before the race to at least watch the stream 7-8 minutes before the start with at worse the same delay as the tv feeds through skyBlack Ladder wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:23 pmLive Streaming is a misnomer. iGamble in-play using a SIS satellite feed and place my bets using BA in-play trader interface. Being able to race read is a very important part of this stratergy.
I would think there is probably room for both. I'm still much a novice, but it seems to me for example the experienced campers still advocate trading manually even though I would suspect automated strategies are highly efficient.ShaunWhite wrote: It's going to be a decade before a purely technological solution can outperform someone with a lifeime of experience watching horses and horseracing.
Indeed they do. Good automation or good race reading makes money, but the guy was talking about gaining an edge on via gps and I believe it has too many issues to assist either. Certainly in it's raw state I can't see a 2D co-ordinate representing a tiny dot somewhere on the planet would help your normal punter in a 3D world where fences move from week to week. So you'd need to buy your feed with added value, then there's no edge because everyone has it. What everyone doesn't have are great analytical skills or great race reading, so they will dominate for quite some time. Just imo.
The majority of people have a computer with excel installed. The smallest of edges can make you a large amount of money used the right way and you don't need to be a computer genius as many of us on here have proven. I know you like to be a contrarian, for whatever reasons , Shaun, but just because you can't see how to exploit extra or faster data doesn't mean other's can't.
I don't like to be a contrarian, I'm just drawn that wayspreadbetting wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:00 pmI know you like to be a contrarian, for whatever reasons , Shaun, but just because you can't see how to exploit extra or faster data doesn't mean other's can't.
So you're the one beating me to all those prices! Been having a lot of trouble with that lately. Everytime my bot spots something its taken before it can even place a bet. So running things through API will be faster than Bet Angel?ShaunWhite wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:21 pmI don't like to be a contrarian, I'm just drawn that wayspreadbetting wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:00 pmI know you like to be a contrarian, for whatever reasons , Shaun, but just because you can't see how to exploit extra or faster data doesn't mean other's can't.
I can see how to exploit extra or faster data, I spend every waking hour of my life just doing that, and I've spent over a year full time developing a system to gain a clear advantage over people using off-the-shelf software. So I get it. But what I'm saying (and it related to gps data only) is that there's only going to be a tiny tiny handful who can get anything useful out of raw gps data, if at all. It sounds easy but it's not when you get into the detail.
So you get it but the people discussing it on the forum don't?ShaunWhite wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:21 pm
I can see how to exploit extra or faster data, I spend every waking hour of my life just doing that, and I've spent over a year full time developing a system to gain a clear advantage over people using off-the-shelf software. So I get it.
What's to say they won't be one of those "tiny tiny handful". I'm not sure that tiny handful is as tiny as you think, many simple edges still exist on the exchanges and still baffles me why. I rationalise it by the fact no one is trying to retire from the next race and they'll always be scraps leftover either from people going for bigger fish, people hitting their own betting bot limits or people simply don't want to bend down and pick up the loose change.ShaunWhite wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:21 pmBut what I'm saying (and it related to gps data only) is that there's only going to be a tiny tiny handful who can get anything useful out of raw gps data, if at all. It sounds easy but it's not when you get into the detail.
Let's say a manual trader can make £15k a yr - but can't automate it. Yea, he's got an edge, but he won't be able to live. Hence leaves it for someone elsespreadbetting wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:54 pmmany simple edges still exist on the exchanges and still baffles me why. or people simply don't want to bend down and pick up the loose change.
Again, I wasn't refering to the game in general, just the very specific topic of raw gps data and it's usefulness to anyone who hasn't got a degree which included Cartesian geometry, cartography and a hint of fluid dynamics. I wasn't suggesting that people here don't know how to find and exploit an edge using the data already available, which may in the future include some prepackaged 2nd hand tracking info. I say 2nd hand because someone somewhere will be adding that value to the raw data, so it's odds on they'll be getting the first look at it.spreadbetting wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:54 pmWhat's to say they won't be one of those "tiny tiny handful". I'm not sure that tiny handful is as tiny as you think, many simple edges still exist on the exchanges and still baffles me why.