Trading Horse racing : Faster Pics Anyone?

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eddy4005
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:01 am

Hi i just came across your querry into faster pics and video pictures, i will tell you my story.
When i first started on BF and using bet angel i didnt know anything about markets ,trading ,etc. but i new that the people betting in play must be miles in front of me.
I thought the only way to compete was to go to the races sit on the winning line and mahybe i would be able to get an edge.
oh how wrong can one be, there i was at ascot waiting and watching what came around the corner first, only to look at my computer screen to find race after race the winning horse was nearly always at 1.01, i pondered for months on how they could do this.
I now have my own idea and believe me having faster feeds to live TV will not help, you might get lucky on a few occasions, but the inplay computer will beat you most times.

Bluesky
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:22 am

That's very interesting eddy4005, I imagine that at one time this type of thing was very lucrative but as time went by and more people started doing it, the market inefficiencies became smaller and smaller. I should think some people still make a good living either track siding or with fast pics but I am sure its a lot more difficult than it used to be.

Its like most markets if you can get in at the start of something (either a new market starting or new technology changing an existing market) then its not that difficult to make money because the market inefficiencies can be quite large. As time moves on however these inefficiencies tighten up and you either need to adapt or move on to another market or system.

Have you tried it at any other race course, I don't know but perhaps it might work better at a less well known course?

iambic_pentameter
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 10:30 am

I'd also suggest that a large part of being a successful in-play trader, is having excellent race reading skills.

I know of one in play trader who says that his method is really quite simple; he just watches replay after replay of races, making notes on horses that are of interest.

I'd imagine if you spent a whole year watching replays of the races, you'd have another slight edge.

There was an article on the Racing Post a while back about in running guys that trade from the course - can't find it online - but said it's not as fun as it's cracked up to be - lugging a PC, TV etc round the country each day, being with the same people day in day out etc and, of course, the cost of being there.

HorseRacer
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Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:16 am

Thanks for the responses,

aperson: Yes RUK when in standard definition was ~2 seconds behind the live action and now that they have a HD option, both channels seem to have lost about 0.5 seconds.

From what I've read in numerous places the answer is as Dallas says,
Dallas wrote:The fastest pics are usually the streams from Betfair/Betdaq/Bet365 etc, these are usually a few seconds ahead of satellite TV.

The only other way to get faster pictures away from the course is with a SIS feed like bookies and trading rooms use

So my next thought is, does anyone stream their SIS feed? Is there another way to access SIS feeds with a satellite dish, I read somewhere of people selling encryption codes to the streams?


Any info much appreciated.

iambic_pentameter
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:22 am

Hi HorseRacer

As I'm such a jolly nice chap and keen to help other forum members, I contacted SIS to see what they charge for live pics and get the following response:

"In relation to your question below, our satellite pictures are not suitable to be used for in running purposes.

Currently we don’t provide an IP solution for a non LBO (Licenced betting office)

If you have any further questions please let me know"


That struck me as odd, as I thought SIS was available to non LBOs - albeit with a hefty price tag.

In terms of getting a live feed elsewhere, I've read on these forums that to avoid going down that route - apparently there are a lot of scammers out there.

HorseRacer
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Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:59 pm

Thank you very much for that info.

Yes I also thought SiS, had packages for home use. It certainly seems like there are feeds out there but maybe you have to be in the know, and like you say, possibly scams.

Cheers

98lewisj
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:34 pm

If anyone wants fast pics/info inbox me.

andyfuller
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Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:52 pm

98lewisj wrote:If anyone wants fast pics/info inbox me.
I'd be interested in the info mate.

njmsfino
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Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:11 am

I'm also interested!

HorseRacer
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Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:43 pm

98lewisj wrote:If anyone wants fast pics/info inbox me.
Hi 98lewisj

I sent you a pm but haven't had any response, I'd be interested in the info.

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