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Greco
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I think he's just saying how far it drifted, nothing more.
Korattt
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Greco wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:24 pm
I think he's just saying how far it drifted, nothing more.
I ask because there is a video from Peter briefly mentioning about taking SP into consideration when using market overview chart but never gave it much thought, hard work today but came out on top,

I’m at that stage now (I think) where it’s one day break even, one day small profit with the odd day losing so I am progressing, very slowly but am progressing

I can’t remember the last time I got on a steamer & it went through the floor, seems such a long time ago, probably because I tend to look for drifters now
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Derek27
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Korattt wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:22 pm
Dallas wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:30 pm
Another good bounce on the fav in the 19:30

1.82 SP from a low of 1.44
I’m gonna sound like a complete idiot now no doubt, but is there an edge in taking note of the SP when looking for a move?, gotta ask because I don’t know
The SPs aren't compiled until the race is off. If you're talking about the near/far price, as listed on the Betfair website, they generally move with the market. If a horse drifts, so will it's near/far prices.
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Korattt wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:22 pm
Dallas wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:30 pm
Another good bounce on the fav in the 19:30

1.82 SP from a low of 1.44
I’m gonna sound like a complete idiot now no doubt, but is there an edge in taking note of the SP when looking for a move?, gotta ask because I don’t know
Just to clarify I wasn't watching the projected SP nor did I get matched at SP, I was out around 1.57 about 30secs before the actual off

It did continue up to about 1.61-1.64 then it was a sharp spike straight to 1.82 as the SP was returned
StellaBot
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Will post up some back to lay
and lay to back bets for today.
Not as confident as yesterdays though.
2.00 LTB Court Dreaming
2.30 LTB Jassas
3.05 BTL Hello Fellas
3.35 BTL Endless Credit
4.20was thinking of BTL Red Tornado, however B Geraghty on fav. he hasnt been over here for 1 month. 1 ride today. no declared future rides
Backed RED
4.50 BTL Two Hoots
i have backed
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invisiblelayer
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Dallas wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:34 pm
Korattt wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:22 pm
Dallas wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:30 pm
Another good bounce on the fav in the 19:30

1.82 SP from a low of 1.44
I’m gonna sound like a complete idiot now no doubt, but is there an edge in taking note of the SP when looking for a move?, gotta ask because I don’t know
Just to clarify I wasn't watching the projected SP nor did I get matched at SP, I was out around 1.57 about 30secs before the actual off

It did continue up to about 1.61-1.64 then it was a sharp spike straight to 1.82 as the SP was returned

Was this horse slowly away by any chance or reared in the gates? See plenty of occasions where this is the case as the market suspends when going in play so late it can skew SPs due to the fast picture mob involvement, away from racing this weekend so seen nothing. I think SP is a great safety mechanism for traders but plenty abnormalities, my mind boggles as to why any serious punter uses SP!
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Derek27
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I often wonder whether the Betfair graphs include exchange money matched with BSP orders, because there's often a big move bang on the off. It can't be money traded just before or after the race starts because the market is suspended at the time.
Korattt
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Old Salt literally went through the bottom of the charts there, massive steamer
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just thinking how many abandoned meetings we’re gonna have later in the year / beginning of next with all the hard ground we’ve got at the moment
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invisiblelayer wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:01 pm
Dallas wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:34 pm
Korattt wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:22 pm


I’m gonna sound like a complete idiot now no doubt, but is there an edge in taking note of the SP when looking for a move?, gotta ask because I don’t know
Just to clarify I wasn't watching the projected SP nor did I get matched at SP, I was out around 1.57 about 30secs before the actual off

It did continue up to about 1.61-1.64 then it was a sharp spike straight to 1.82 as the SP was returned

Was this horse slowly away by any chance or reared in the gates? See plenty of occasions where this is the case as the market suspends when going in play so late it can skew SPs due to the fast picture mob involvement, away from racing this weekend so seen nothing. I think SP is a great safety mechanism for traders but plenty abnormalities, my mind boggles as to why any serious punter uses SP!
TBH im not sure I knocked the video off as soon as I closed the trade, was only by chance I still had the ladder on a screen.
I do know it never traded below its pre-off 1.44 IR
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Korattt wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:40 pm
just thinking how many abandoned meetings we’re gonna have later in the year / beginning of next with all the hard ground we’ve got at the moment
Really ?

Why would we have abandoned meetings later in the year and at the beginning of next because of the current weather conditions ?

There are far more meetings cancelled due to rain, snow, frost etc, than the current weather conditions in regards to racing. Plus the BHA are proactive and are already putting on extra meetings next week, because of the firm ground and high number of eliminations in all weather races .. extra meetings at Newcastle and Chelmsford next week

And if you look at next years fixture list your going to get I think 15 days where there will be two floodlit meetings on together in the evening, plus other fixture alterations

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/pres ... d-revenue/

The BHA produce statistics packs on a monthly and yearly basis , which includes field sizes,abandonments , extra fixtures , and a host of other facts, which you might find interesting, and might avoid “ you thinking out loud “. Example of such a pack below

Your welcome to browse thru them and let us know how many meetings have been abandoned due hard ground in recent years ( Wincanton last may springs to mind, but I suspect they are tiny compared to frost etc )

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/wp-c ... _Stats.pdf


Most tracks have the ability to water, and are able to move races at the discretion of the BHA , to other parts of their course if ground unsuitable .. Think Donny moved a couple of races from round to straight course or vice versa due to ground recently .

Remember travelling and gallops etc are often just as big a factor in extreme weather conditions, and whether a trainer enters/ runs a horse.

Hope that puts your mind at rest
Korattt
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Halliday wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:52 pm
Korattt wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:40 pm
just thinking how many abandoned meetings we’re gonna have later in the year / beginning of next with all the hard ground we’ve got at the moment
Really ?

Why would we have abandoned meetings later in the year and at the beginning of next because of the current weather conditions ?

There are far more meetings cancelled due to rain, snow, frost, etc

Hope that puts your mind at rest
are you thinking fast or slow with your reply?
Halliday
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Korattt wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:07 am
Halliday wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:52 pm
Korattt wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:40 pm
just thinking how many abandoned meetings we’re gonna have later in the year / beginning of next with all the hard ground we’ve got at the moment
Really ?

Why would we have abandoned meetings later in the year and at the beginning of next because of the current weather conditions ?

There are far more meetings cancelled due to rain, snow, frost, etc

Hope that puts your mind at rest
are you thinking fast or slow with your reply?
Perhaps if you’d prefaced your question. “I’m gonna sound like a complete idiot now no doubt, ....” , then maybe I wouldn’t have started my reply with “really “.. Yes I thought it was a silly question, but I did take the time to answer it and point you in the direction of where you can often get many answers to similar questions , and save yourself posting .


It was a genuine attempt to explain that there really are far more reasons for abandonments then the current weather conditions, and that it won’t impact on later in the year or next year
Korattt
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sometimes I wonder if it's really worth coming on here, can see why newbies shy away from this forum
Halliday
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Korattt wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:35 am
sometimes I wonder if it's really worth coming on here, can see why newbies shy away from this forum
I feel the same as you do , especially with your reply , to what was a genuine attempt to answer your question.But obviously you feel otherwise.

I don’t think “newbies” shy away from the forum,I certainly have gained invaluable advice from members on here , and would class myself as a “ newbie”. I guess many aren’t as prolific posters as you ( pleased it hasn’t stopped you from posting ) , they just ask the questions they need too , and recognise the posters that they can trust for beneficial advice .And the more you read and engage with members posts,you soon begin to sort the “ wheat from the chaff”


Obviously my post has struck a raw nerve,judging by your replies.
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