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Anbell wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:07 am
Of course, we have to remember that the commission is only on winnings/race, so if you have a successful 'small margin' system that wins 1% POT net of 8% commission, it would still be valuable at 10% commission.
Anbell don't forget that you effectively pay commission on your losses with the winnings that cover them! So if you made a profit of 1 point after 8% commission on total stakes of 100 points and let's say you have a 25% strike rate so you would have enjoyed 25 winning bets at 1 point stakes returning 82.61 gross winnings which net down to 76 points after 8% commission, offset the 75 losing bets gives you a 1 point profit. But if the commission rate was increased to 10% your commission deduction would be 8.26 points giving net winnings of 74.35 points which after deducting the 75 losing stakes gives the system a loss of 0.65 points!

It's a common misunderstanding of the effect of commission when using an exchange. "You only pay commission on your winnings" depends on how you define your winnings! "commission is only on winnings/race" is of course correct but because a long term profit is produced at X% commission does not mean there will still be a profit at a higher Y% rate. Your long term commission is effectively …

total commission = (system profit + losing stakes) x Comm%
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Big lumpy bets on early cairns r8
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Naffman wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:07 am
Big lumpy bets on early cairns r8
Can't get enough on, already 30k 8 mins out on a CL2
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:43 am
Anbell wrote:
Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:07 am
Of course, we have to remember that the commission is only on winnings/race, so if you have a successful 'small margin' system that wins 1% POT net of 8% commission, it would still be valuable at 10% commission.
Anbell don't forget that you effectively pay commission on your losses with the winnings that cover them! So if you made a profit of 1 point after 8% commission on total stakes of 100 points and let's say you have a 25% strike rate so you would have enjoyed 25 winning bets at 1 point stakes returning 82.61 gross winnings which net down to 76 points after 8% commission, offset the 75 losing bets gives you a 1 point profit. But if the commission rate was increased to 10% your commission deduction would be 8.26 points giving net winnings of 74.35 points which after deducting the 75 losing stakes gives the system a loss of 0.65 points!

It's a common misunderstanding of the effect of commission when using an exchange. "You only pay commission on your winnings" depends on how you define your winnings! "commission is only on winnings/race" is of course correct but because a long term profit is produced at X% commission does not mean there will still be a profit at a higher Y% rate. Your long term commission is effectively …

total commission = (system profit + losing stakes) x Comm%
All true
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Trading early, you can get 10-15 ticks at Scone and get the most out of your chips.
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I've been on holiday for the past week and a bit so haven't traded but I notice today that BF are suspending MUCH faster than previously. Looking at about 1.5-2 seconds now, instead of 5+. Looks like they've finally got themselves a decent feed.
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Heisenberg wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:32 am
I've been on holiday for the past week and a bit so haven't traded but I notice today that BF are suspending MUCH faster than previously. Looking at about 1.5-2 seconds now, instead of 5+. Looks like they've finally got themselves a decent feed.
They did suggest that things were going to get better yesterday and asked for feedback. I've sent your comment to them.
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Heisenberg wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:32 am
I've been on holiday for the past week and a bit so haven't traded but I notice today that BF are suspending MUCH faster than previously. Looking at about 1.5-2 seconds now, instead of 5+. Looks like they've finally got themselves a decent feed.
Thanks, good to see they're getting things back to normal as 7 seconds etc was ridiculous.
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Anbell wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:41 am
Heisenberg wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:32 am
I've been on holiday for the past week and a bit so haven't traded but I notice today that BF are suspending MUCH faster than previously. Looking at about 1.5-2 seconds now, instead of 5+. Looks like they've finally got themselves a decent feed.
They did suggest that things were going to get better yesterday and asked for feedback. I've sent your comment to them.
Was that on Twitter? Or from your account manager? Just curious as to what 'things getting better' actually means in terms of the mechanism of turning the markets in play. Most likely a fast feed but could also be suspending off a slightly delayed radio call. Either way I'll have to adjust some strategies but if it's a permanent change then it can only be a good thing, far more confidence in taking BSP for starters.
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Heisenberg wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:32 am
I've been on holiday for the past week and a bit so haven't traded but I notice today that BF are suspending MUCH faster than previously. Looking at about 1.5-2 seconds now, instead of 5+. Looks like they've finally got themselves a decent feed.
Or maybe they've got the same feed and are just hitting the button earlier. :)
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Lol. Just got in contact with them, it's a new feed so looks like it will be a permanent thing 😊
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Wyong postponed - probably irrelevant for most given its NSW.
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gazuty wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:34 am
Wyong postponed - probably irrelevant for most given its NSW.
I was hoping to trade one or two, I do well there. :(
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Another shortie at Rosehill.
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This earlier suspension in play is so annoying. I didn't realise how late I bet.
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