In Play Trading

[firlandsfarm]

Proform is a good source of info as used by some of the pros on here, in profiling horses in a way Peter suggest (fairly expensive from what I can remember)
I did trial it but found that whilst it picked out some potentials, whilst focussing on that I missed some opportunities (i.e. reacting to the market on the fly) that pro form didn't identify (i.e. that last race touched 1000 to 1), would proform have identified that?

Peter, it's not expensive if you make a profit! I couldn't do without it, I access the Proform SQL database on my computer directly and create my own views ... you can find some very interesting stats going back over 20 years of race data and 10 years of BSP data.

[firlandsfarm]

The ladders are a fast and effective way to read a race.

Yes there are but for me they are too fast and furious! They bounce around all over the place and often go off ladder/screen and by the time you have recentered the ladder they are back to where they started! Am I missing a way to keep LTP in the middle and the ladder bounce rather than the price?

[firlandsfarm]

I have seen horses reach <1.2 and they have never progressed beyond 3rd place.

That's the Seb Coe syndrone they remember how he and Ovett would sit 2nd or 3rd just before the last bend with everyone knowing they would power past and win. You can see it often, the horse looks well positioned, never led, always been sheltered ... is running well and you are expecting that surge of speed in the last 1 - 2 furlongs (à la Rock of Gibraltar) lots of in-running players bundle on it, the price falls, others bundle on thinking they are missing out so the price tumbles even further, the jockey says "GO" and the horse says "I'm f**ked, sorry"!

I think in-running is more susceptable to emotional follow the crowd betting than the brown skirt brigade at a Dettori Ascot (average return per £1 staked on his rides at Ascot -£0.16, average return at all other courses -£0.02) and you don't get time to think. Because the odds can move so fast it's a now or never moment and human nature is to have the now in preference to never. I cannot see how you filter that out without a broadcast so you can form your own opinion.

[jimibt]

I have seen horses reach <1.2 and they have never progressed beyond 3rd place.

That's the Seb Coe syndrone they remember how he and Ovett would sit 2nd or 3rd just before the last bend with everyone knowing they would power past and win. You can see it often, the horse looks well positioned, never led, always been sheltered ... is running well and you are expecting that surge of speed in the last 1 - 2 furlongs (à la Rock of Gibraltar) lots of in-running players bundle on it, the price falls, others bundle on thinking they are missing out so the price tumbles even further, the jockey says "GO" and the horse says "I'm f**ked, sorry"!

I think in-running is more susceptable to emotional follow the crowd betting than the brown skirt brigade at a Dettori Ascot (average return per £1 staked on his rides at Ascot -£0.16, average return at all other courses -£0.02) and you don't get time to think. Because the odds can move so fast it's a now or never moment and human nature is to have the now in preference to never. I cannot see how you filter that out without a broadcast so you can form your own opinion.

this is really where automation (and in particular odds gaps and book%) come into their own. if you're not too greedy you can *blindly* use a combination of these to attack both back and lay positions for a micro profit across a number of runners in that final few furlongs... experimentation around the dynamics of those interactions will help illustrate how subtly the balance between one and t'other affect the outcome. keeps the emotional aspect at bay and may in essence be piggy tailing (in reverse) onto the very nature that you describe.

[ShaunWhite]

The ladders are a fast and effective way to read a race.

Yes there are but for me they are too fast and furious! They bounce around all over the place and often go off ladder/screen and by the time you have recentered the ladder they are back to where they started! Am I missing a way to keep LTP in the middle and the ladder bounce rather than the price?

Have you tried using the inplay trader screen.?

[adhuk]

The ladders are a fast and effective way to read a race.

Yes there are but for me they are too fast and furious! They bounce around all over the place and often go off ladder/screen and by the time you have recentered the ladder they are back to where they started! Am I missing a way to keep LTP in the middle and the ladder bounce rather than the price?

Some platforms have automated centering of the current price, but to be honest this makes the market less easy to read as you can't see at a glance which horse's prices are rising or falling. Besides you really should be out of the race before the prices start bouncing around so much. The best time to trade inplay is about 30secs from the off to a couple of furlongs out. This is why short flat races (5,6,7f) are unsuitable. Otherwise, during that window, the market will remain within a dozen clicks either way and stable enough to take a profit. Discipline is essential...red or green you have to cash out before the market goes crazy.

[trader44]

Have you tried using the inplay trader screen."
is there an auto green with this