Lay Scorer & Green Up after 20mins Guardian Automation Bot

[Dipstick]

Dallas

Thanks for the reply. I have 20ms refresh on (through streaming) but probably 250 markets open.
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[Dallas]

Dallas

Thanks for the reply. I have 20ms refresh on (through streaming) but probably 250 markets open.
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With that rate and number of markets, it shouldn't effect it as it would refresh each every 5 secs at most

Did you add the volume condition to the lay rules or green up, if it was the lay rules then it will not stop the green ups?

The 25 ticks should stop it as it requires 25 for the lay to trigger so following a goal the drift should always be more, you could try 15 ticks for the green up as that shouldn't effect the overall functionality of the rule

[JTEDL]

Will give this a try today and over the weekend, I sometimes like the 'lay the leader' kind of strategies.

But has also got me thinking about using this for other sports, particularly with a 1 v 1 market, ie Darts with no draw, cricket ODI or T20, snooker, American football, basketball and even tennis I suppose even though there is other good automation for this

Basically lay the player/team to take a lead and green up if odds bounce back up, or take red if odds drop further.

So would appreciate thoughts if easier to modify this file, or would any of the other shared files be better?

[jimibt]

Will give this a try today and over the weekend, I sometimes like the 'lay the leader' kind of strategies.

But has also got me thinking about using this for other sports, particularly with a 1 v 1 market, ie Darts with no draw, cricket ODI or T20, snooker, American football, basketball and even tennis I suppose even though there is other good automation for this

Basically lay the player/team to take a lead and green up if odds bounce back up, or take red if odds drop further.

So would appreciate thoughts if easier to modify this file, or would any of the other shared files be better?

this is exactly the strategy that i use in the MO football market, tho in particular, i focus on laying the 1st to score IF they were the match underdog... works well, especially if you are targetting games where there is a fairly strong fave and the ou25 overs odds are favouring a few gaols.

[JTEDL]

Can work well on an odds on away team scoring first too, low liability lay, won't lose too much but big profit if home team equalise, picking the right matches of course.

Good example was couple of weeks ago, Wolves V Chelsea, at KO Chelsea were around 1.89, when they went 0-1 up odds were down to 1.25 when I layed them, Wolves equalised and odds back out to 1.9 ish, took green then but they ended up winning. If Chelsea made it 0-2. would have gone to around 1.08 I reckon so risk was around a 17 tick loss.

Like I suggested, can work on other sports, just trying to work out best way to automate it.

[jimibt]

JTEDL - will consider that option too. and 110% agree on match selection. you could have a set of rules that covered MO/CS and OUxx that with the right games would have a profit over at least one of those markets. conversely, with the worng match(es), you could lose on every single one of the above..

70% science 30% art!!

[Dallas]

Dallas

Thanks for the reply. I have 20ms refresh on (through streaming) but probably 250 markets open.
D

With that rate and number of markets, it shouldn't effect it as it would refresh each every 5 secs at most

Did you add the volume condition to the lay rules or green up, if it was the lay rules then it will not stop the green ups?

The 25 ticks should stop it as it requires 25 for the lay to trigger so following a goal the drift should always be more, you could try 15 ticks for the green up as that shouldn't effect the overall functionality of the rule

So as to keep this thread on topic I've moved your query across to a new thread as it's looking like an issue with retrieving matched bets from Betfair rather than being related to this rules file in some way
viewtopic.php?f=37&t=17954&p=175933#p175933

[badboy13]

Looks good would it work best if underdog scored first goal.
Guess would have to use a signal before kickoff to identify underdog.

Yes a signal at KO would probably be the best way to identify the underdog and usually, the odds decay will be less during the 20mins if the underdog scores first

Looking at doing this, so I create a new signal at start of inplay to set a signal if one selection is greater odds then other to set signal as underdog. Won't this cause a problem with the green ups though as they set to trigger 20 minutes after first rule?

[Dallas]

Looks good would it work best if underdog scored first goal.
Guess would have to use a signal before kickoff to identify underdog.

Yes a signal at KO would probably be the best way to identify the underdog and usually, the odds decay will be less during the 20mins if the underdog scores first

Looking at doing this, so I create a new signal at start of inplay to set a signal if one selection is greater odds then other to set signal as underdog. Won't this cause a problem with the green ups though as they set to trigger 20 minutes after first rule?

Yes and on the signal rule you can use the relative odds condition to test the price between selections in row 1 and 2 are greater than 'X' ticks or '%'
It won't cause any issues with the green up rule, it will only place a bet if there is a position to close

[badboy13]

The 20 minute green up is set to trigger 20 minutes after first rule triggers so if set a new signal rule at kickoff won’t this be effected?

[Dallas]

The 20 minute green up is set to trigger 20 minutes after first rule triggers so if set a new signal rule at kickoff won’t this be effected?

I see what you mean now, yes it will be affected so will need some editing if adding in this signal rule

First on the two lay bet rules go to the signal tab and add
Set Signal on market
named layplaced (or call it whatever you want)

If you arm the green up after 20mins rule from 20mins after KO till 25mins after the lay bet rule expires
then add a signal changed condition
signal named layplaced (or whatever you called it)
changed between 1200secs to 1500secs

Then arm the two green up after goal rules from around 1min after KO till 25mins after the lay bet rule expires
then add a signal changed condition
signal named layplaced (or whatever you called it)
changed between 95secs to 1140secs

That will do it

Effectivly the signal now being set by the lay bet is being used by the green up rules to trigger, so the two following a goal can trigger upto 19mins after a goal should the other conditions be met
The green up after 20mins will trigger 20mins after the signal is set by the lay bet being placed

[badboy13]

Thanks will give it a test.

[badboy13]

I've done that, set 2 signals at start of match to set home or away team as underdog. Lay bet will only be placed if that team is underdog. But what if favourite scores first (it won't lay) but if underdog equalises 1-1 won't it then place a lay?

[badboy13]

I'm finding if the first goal is scored just before half time, the 20 minute green up includes the 15 minute break so no chance of an equaliser as it greens up during half time, any way to fix that?

[Dallas]

I've done that, set 2 signals at start of match to set home or away team as underdog. Lay bet will only be placed if that team is underdog. But what if favourite scores first (it won't lay) but if underdog equalises 1-1 won't it then place a lay?

Yes you would still need the initial signal to identify the underdog and 'stop' the rules from triggering if they don't score first, which I think the users who originally asked the question had then done