Back 2nd Runner to Trade Below 2.0 Guardian Automation Bot

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Dallas
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This is a basic Guardian automation rule for use on In-Running horse racing markets.

The bot will look to back the 2nd runner that trades below 2.0 during a race for £10 (providing the odds of the fav were trading at odds greater than 2.10 between post time to the actual off).

It does this by a simple use of a few signals and 3 separate rule types

Rule 1 ‘Signal to ignore race with odds on fav’
Between post time and the actual off if the odds of the fav trade below 2.1 then a signal is set on the market (this signal will then be used to prevent any further rules triggering when the race goes in-running)

Rule 2 ‘Signal 1st below 2’
Once in-running this rule has a condition that will check if the above signal is set on the market and if NOT when a selection does trade below 2.0 it will then set its own unique signal names - One on the market the other on the selection itself. The signal on the selection will be used to exclude this runner from being backed – so the back bet rule can now trigger on ANY runner that trades below 2.0 except this one.

Rule 3 ‘Back 2nd Runner below 2.0’
The third rule of the automation file is the actual rule that will ‘place a back bet’, this has three conditions which all need to be met bet before it can trigger - including two conditions that will check for the signals from above
Cond 1, A runner has traded below 2.0
Cond 2, A signal is set on the market (this was set by rule 2 above when the 1st runner below 2.0)
Cond 3, A signal is NOT set on that selection (ie this is not the 1st runner to trade below 2.0)

To use the file just click on Back 2nd Runner to Trade Below 2.0.Baf attachment link below and this will download it to your computer, then with guardian open on the "Automation" tab click "Import a Rules File" as shown in the image, once imported it will now appear in the drop down box just above, you can now apply it to any markets you have added into guardian.

Once you have it imported into your Guardian the stake size along with any other aspects of this file can be edited very easily by clicking on "Edit Rules File".

With any automation bot always run in practice mode first to ensure everything is working fine, and repeat this each time you make any changes.
To see a video tutorial on how to download and import an automation file into your Bet Angel please see this link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Im4pj683g
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Niko
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Excellent, thanks Dallas!
janice62
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Dallas, is it ok to add stop in to this in case the horse backed drifts back out, rather than losing all the stake? hope I have explained what I mean!!, thanks
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janice62 wrote:
Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:53 am
Dallas, is it ok to add stop in to this in case the horse backed drifts back out, rather than losing all the stake? hope I have explained what I mean!!, thanks
Its possible to add one but not really advisable in-running especially at such short odds
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Champion Dallas! Thanks again.
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Hi Dallas.
I've been playing with this with a little success but would like to experiment with different prices.
In idiot language, (you're talking to an 8 year old where teccie stuff is concerned), how do I change the signal from 2.0, to say 1.5? I'm looking for a better strike rate, but obviously I'll get less matches.
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On the conditions tab of both the 'Signal 1st below 2.0' rule AND 'Back 2nd Runner below 2.0'
You will see 'Last Traded Price <2'

Change that from 2 to 1.5 (or whatever odds you want to use)
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Faster then a speeding bullet!
Thanks Dallas.
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Hi Dallas.
Another question, if you don't mind.
My losing bets today with this have all come (rather obviously) when the bet has been placed at a bigger price then my signal price.
My signal price was 1.4 but both bets were placed at 1.6 and 2.0.
I don't suppose so, but is there any way to make sure this doesn't happen? A WOM condition or something similar?
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greety wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:36 pm
Hi Dallas.
Another question, if you don't mind.
My losing bets today with this have all come (rather obviously) when the bet has been placed at a bigger price then my signal price.
My signal price was 1.4 but both bets were placed at 1.6 and 2.0.
I don't suppose so, but is there any way to make sure this doesn't happen? A WOM condition or something similar?
They will of been placed at 1.4 or whatever you have them set to trigger and place at but Betfair will always match you at the best price available, it just happens that the horse will of started to drift during the in-play delay since you bet was triggered.

Even if there was no in-play delay and you were matched at 1.40 the instant your bet triggered the horse will still of started to drift a second after it was matched and eventually lose
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Dallas wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:48 pm
greety wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:36 pm
Hi Dallas.
Another question, if you don't mind.
My losing bets today with this have all come (rather obviously) when the bet has been placed at a bigger price then my signal price.
My signal price was 1.4 but both bets were placed at 1.6 and 2.0.
I don't suppose so, but is there any way to make sure this doesn't happen? A WOM condition or something similar?
They will of been placed at 1.4 or whatever you have them set to trigger and place at but Betfair will always match you at the best price available, it just happens that the horse will of started to drift during the in-play delay since you bet was triggered.

Even if there was no in-play delay and you were matched at 1.40 the instant your bet triggered the horse will still of started to drift a second after it was matched and eventually lose
you could of course extend the functionality even further to revert to only backing the FIRST horse to go sub 2, but ONLY if it has been challenged by the 2nd runner and then once more regained its composure to spin back below 2 odds again. i.e.

1. 1st horse goes sub 2
2. contender bumps it out and it then goes sub 2
3. original 1st horse fights back and goes sub 2
4. place fixed odds back bet on 1.5 odds

anyway, it's another stab that may or may not work
greety
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Thanks for the reply jimi.
Have you (or Dallas of course) any instructions how to set this up?
Thanks
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greety wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:28 pm
Thanks for the reply jimi.
Have you (or Dallas of course) any instructions how to set this up?
Thanks
give this a try - completely untested!!

[edit] - as a little PLUS, you can flip the NOT set with a value flags (subtwoContender and subtwoOriginal) on the Back Original Runner rule to flip between the target runner for the back (either the original fave, or the contender)... just adds a bit of flexibility, should you wish to extend things.

Dallas, if you read this, maybe you could sanity check it ;)
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sorry im a beginner....in my head I want to try and sort the automation up so when a horse drifts from a single figure price goes out to double figures in play I then want to place a lay bet on that. I have no idea how to set that up though? also I don't mind any advice whether this is a good or bad idea and want to direct me down a different route
thanks.
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grantmona03 wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:40 pm
sorry im a beginner....in my head I want to try and sort the automation up so when a horse drifts from a single figure price goes out to double figures in play I then want to place a lay bet on that. I have no idea how to set that up though? also I don't mind any advice whether this is a good or bad idea and want to direct me down a different route
thanks.
grant -it's a bad idea. not popping balloons, but many, many eventual winners (especially in the final phase of the race) wind out to very high odds, only to swing back in to sub 2 odds 3-5 seconds later. the secret with these type of runners is to TRY to get on top of the swing and either L2B quickly, or grab a fast B2L on an offset that covers the swing. I can't actually explain easily what that is, but it's something that you'll see time and again in closely contested races and with a bit of observation will be able to nip a few ticks from. in short, don't try to straight lay this type.

[edit] - ironically, see this thread just authored that looks at exactly what you are trying to do: viewtopic.php?f=37&t=14602
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