Building a correct score model

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Kafkaesque
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Euler wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:01 pm
Poisson distribution doesn't work on football scores, so don't pursue that. Create a model independent of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXQoqUwiSIA
Like Shaun, I'm curious as why you state poisson doesn't work?

The video, you reference, explains a good alternative, but not why poisson shouldn't be pursued. Given how much you stated it as an absolute, I would suspect, you have a specific reason for it?
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Kafkaesque wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:18 pm
Euler wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:01 pm
Poisson distribution doesn't work on football scores, so don't pursue that. Create a model independent of it.
Like Shaun, I'm curious as why you state poisson doesn't work?
I'm not curious (well not in that way) I know it's flawed. I just can't remember why....I'm sure it's something to do with the results being very close to zero. Eg great for results either side of 50, but not so good with results either side of 1.5. :?:

Poisson is afterall just a theoretical distribution formula, it takes no account of home vs away or if teams need a pasrticular result more than another.

If you already have 10 years of match results data then that's clearly a better picture of the actual distribution. For those without the stats, and ways to slice them for certain situations, they're probably left with poisson being their best hope.
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Simple poisson distributions have been shown to underestimate draws when compared to historical odds, there's plenty of academic articles about poisson and football. Because of that many people have tweaked versions of poisson to account for the draw deficiency using bivariate poisson models etc

I think there are so many variables when it comes to predicting football results you'll be lucky to find an edge over the market. If we look at the video Euler posted he's getting 11.8 for the draw whereas the Betfair market is sitting at 14 mid point so there's a large variation between the two and I'd be surprised if Euler is acheiving a 20% edge over the Betfair market with a simple system.

Take a look at the power of goals blog as that has quite alot of decent posts about football predicting http://thepowerofgoals.blogspot.com.

If you look at the post regarding odds decay over a match you'll see poisson distributions do tally in line with Betfair odds, now that may be due to the majority of MM's using their flawed poisson models but it does mean we have a half decent method of predicting future odds decay/distribution if not the actual scores.

http://thepowerofgoals.blogspot.com/201 ... t-ten.html

I gave up trying to get a model to predict scores a long time ago.
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