Can you Facetime a tennis match?

[Naffman]

You can't even get a good connection at the kcom (says 4g but takes about 5 minutes to load a page!)

God only knows what it must be like at the more popular games

[jimibt]

I discovered what court side betting is few days ago and I am just investigating to see what is physically/legally feasable. And some answers in that thread do contain valuable information on that matter, to me and other newbies interested by the topic.
Indeed it sounds risky/dodgy to courtside bet on tennis matches.
It seems to be more feasable/less dodgy for football. But data connection is poor for high liquidity matches, and I don't know about wifi connections available in some stadiums. I'll check it by myself, or have it checked by someone. I will post the results of that particular point.

if you are serious about this (and apologies if i thought that you were doing it as a wind up), then you'll need to honestly be confident that you can make a ton of cash from it as the scalability for such a scheme (even of it proved effective for a while) is at best dubious.

Ask yourself some basic questions first about how you'd operate such a scheme and that may address the need for further exploration on the topic. In no particular order, here would be my thoughts (tho in all honesty, i'd never contemplate such a journey -but here goes):

1. Will you be travelling to the games in person - if not how will your accomplice be remunerated
2. How much will it cost to attend the event - including entry, transport and subsitance
3. How will you monitor your positions if your accomplice doesn't get a sweet sopt in the stadium
4. If only one game per day can be attanded and quality games only occur on saturday/sunday - how will you scale that
5. If your accomplice lost their equipment, due to copyright enfringement etc, would you underwite those expenses
6. Would you be able to do a WiFi due diligence survey on every stadium, ahead fo sending your accomplice there

TBH -the questions keep coming to me and I'd like to think you've already addressed even the few i've noted above.

Quick question, how effective is your current approach to trading on football/tennis - i.e. is the reason for going down this route due to you making serious money and therefore you feel that you could make xx% more by taking this route??

I wish you luck whatever you do, but to me (as a scots cynic), i think you are exposing yourself as niaive and would be better placed expending your energies into figuring out how those two markets operate with minimal expense/overhead commitment. many on here make pretty decent livings from working out of their bedrooms with nothing more than a basic BA UI and some sort of live/delayed feed. At the end of the day, it's al about understanding the market mechanics and getting those rightmore times that you get them wrong (easier said than done if the basics aren't in place).

good luck anyway..

[pdenoeud]

Thanks jimibt
I did not adress most of your points. I am a decent Forex trader, and I am investing bet trading in order to increase my incomes.
I am investigating courtside betting, among other possibilities. I wrote robots to check Betfair/Matchbook arbs but it didn't bring enough profitability.

For now I am trying to check if football courtside betting is feasable. It might be if some stadiums provide decent wifi connection. I'll have to check.
If that is the case, I guess one option is to pay some guys who already plan to attend the game. They pay their seat, but they facetime me during the game. It is a bit of a hasle, but they make money out of it. The process could scale up by multiplying the number of games per week, although I know it will be limited.

[ShaunWhite]

I wish you luck whatever you do

Remind me, who's he trying to take money from?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't do live football & tennis, but isn't this guy just trying to get an edge on everyone here who does? I can't understand why people seem to be genuinely trying to help.

pdenoeud, put my mind at ease and tell everyone that nobody here will lose a penny to you and your scheme, and explain who you think is going to be lining your pockets?

Am I just being cynical, or are you lot all being mugged off by a guy with more front than Brighton.

[Derek27]

I wish you luck whatever you do

Remind me, who's he trying to take money from?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't do live football & tennis, but isn't this guy just trying to get an edge on everyone here who does? I can't understand why people seem to be genuinely trying to help.

pdenoeud, put my mind at ease and tell everyone that nobody here will lose a penny to you and your scheme, and explain who you think is going to be lining your pockets?

Am I just being cynical, or are you lot all being mugged off by a guy with more front than Brighton.

I started trading tennis in-play but would have no issue with somebody on this forum being at the game a step ahead of me. You know some people have faster pictures than you. Trading is all about understanding the environment you're trading in, the advantages, limitations, and trading accordingly.

[Derek27]

Thanks jimibt
I did not adress most of your points. I am a decent Forex trader, and I am investing bet trading in order to increase my incomes.
I am investigating courtside betting, among other possibilities. I wrote robots to check Betfair/Matchbook arbs but it didn't bring enough profitability.

For now I am trying to check if football courtside betting is feasable. It might be if some stadiums provide decent wifi connection. I'll have to check.
If that is the case, I guess one option is to pay some guys who already plan to attend the game. They pay their seat, but they facetime me during the game. It is a bit of a hasle, but they make money out of it. The process could scale up by multiplying the number of games per week, although I know it will be limited.

As I alluded to earlier, you're going to a lot of expense and trouble just to investigate one of a thousand possible ways to make money, which most people on here think is a waste of energy. I'm glad you're not a detective - unless I was the criminal being hunted.

There is a very talented little champion on here (hasn't been around for a while) who has spent the best part of a year investigating ways to make money, but seemed to get nowhere.

Have you actually traded tennis and made money from it at home, giving you the impression you could do so much better at courtside?

Or are you a failure at tennis trading thinking being at courtside will turn things around?

Or have you never traded tennis and think anyone can win at courtside regardless of their trading ability?

People who trade courtside probably get easy scalps from bets that haven't been cancelled, but I'm sure many traders at home can make more by predicting the probability of breaks and working out the value trades. These calculations can be done in between serves without the need for fast pictures.

[BetScalper]

To be fair, it’s been going on for years.

In 2013, 23 individuals were ejected from cricket grounds in the UK for courtsiding.

In 2016, 20 individuals were ejected from the US open for courtsiding.

The true impact is not known as sporting events don’t like broadcasting the fact that punters at home are being potentially mugged for millions per year.

I had a friend who did the same thing at a world snooker match and is now banned for life from attending.

[Euler]

Courtsiding is so competitive now that you will probably end up taking as much risk as if you are not there and trading with a delay.

Many years ago me and a few guys thought we would test the ground to see what was going on and concluded that people were trying to out anticipate each other. So rather than wait for a point to be scored they were anticipating that a point would be scored.

Then people were anticipating that they anticipator would anticipate a point being scored. We would often notice that they must have a position going in, just as the receiver was about to hit the ball. Such was the level of anticipation.

Same thing happened on Racing. Originally it was when the horse crossed the line, then 50 yds, then 100 and now 2.5-3 furlongs out.

I still make money on both without having to anticipate the market and suggest that maybe there is a case for overreaction now.

[Derek27]

If I was given a 20-metre head start in the Olympic 100 metre final - that's a massive advantage, but I still wouldn't win!

[Jukebox]

It mightbe fun to go back over some 1.01 losers and check out just how close those finishes really were

[Derek27]

This thread reminds me of me and my brothers planning a night-time break-in and robbery of a post office, when I was ten-years-old!

I don't think my older brother was being serious about it, but I was.

At least the plan didn't involve anything elaborate out of a spy movie, I was just going to be the lookout guy.

[BetScalper]

If you hide your phone well enough, can you Facetime a tennis match?
I know this is not allowed, but do you think this is feasable? I was said that for football there are too many people, so the 3G/4G internet connection is not good enough. Has anybody ever managed to Facetime during a tennis game? I guess there might be wifi networks accessible for some tournaments, from the field.

If you want to make some serious money then learn to card count. Just don’t get caught doing it in Vegas, otherwise you might end up being buried under the casino.

[pdenoeud]

I wish you luck whatever you do

Remind me, who's he trying to take money from?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't do live football & tennis, but isn't this guy just trying to get an edge on everyone here who does? I can't understand why people seem to be genuinely trying to help.

pdenoeud, put my mind at ease and tell everyone that nobody here will lose a penny to you and your scheme, and explain who you think is going to be lining your pockets?

Am I just being cynical, or are you lot all being mugged off by a guy with more front than Brighton.

ShaunWhite, the goal of forums is sometimes to share ideas who will then might benefit some of us. Ideas and informatin are posted to all, everyone (so you too) is able to use it or not. If it really gives an edge, fell free to use the information shared I am pretty sure yourself elaborated profitable strategy ideas from forum posts/youtube videos,... those profitable strategies, by definition, take the money from other punters.

[pdenoeud]

Have you actually traded tennis and made money from it at home, giving you the impression you could do so much better at courtside?

Or are you a failure at tennis trading thinking being at courtside will turn things around?

Or have you never traded tennis and think anyone can win at courtside regardless of their trading ability?

I am just a newbie in sport betting trading, investigating different ways to make money. Often you need a new idea, to think out of the box, or a specific edge to make money on a market full of talented traders.

The main issue I face here is to back test strategies. As far as I know, there is no way to back test automatically trading algorythms, as it is the case in forex trading for instance. BAck testing by hand takes ages, and you often need to back test a lot of strategies/input parameters before finding a profitable strategy.

[ShaunWhite]

As far as I know, there is no way to back test automatically trading algorythms, as it is the case in forex trading for instance.

You'll find there are lots of people doing that here, in almost as many different ways.

You might be new so enthusiasm is good but remember that 100s of people worldwide have been doing this full time for almost 20yrs. Let's say just 100. That's 2000 devious scheming plotting man years. And before that almost 200 years of gambling in general. You'll need more than a phone in a hat.