Faster Pics Anyone?

[Barnobee]

Hi folks!

I have a couple of questions, ATR is to become Sky Sports Racing in January 2019 I believe, does anyone know if the picture will still be delayed as much as ATR?

My 2nd question is to the folk involved earlier in this thread, did anyone manage to source a decent feed for the ATR , I am an in play trader, doing OK with RUK, but currently not trading ATR due to the delay, If I can get closer to a live pic then this would open up so many more markets for me.

Thanks in advance.

Richy

There will always be a delay via TV pictures whatever the feed is. How fast do you want it ?

Sounds like your looking for a feed edge over normal punters.

The only way you will achieve what your looking for is to goto each track and bet track side.

I guess I am looking for a feed edge, or at least a picture that most in play traders are using (excluding track players)

[ShaunWhite]

The 5th posting was from years ago, RUK is now faster than BF and other betting site sources.

I wouldn't have directed you to it if it wasn't still relevant.

What delay are you getting on each of your sources? BF seems to be about 2s most of the time.

[iambic_pentameter]

Don't assume that having faster pictures will give you a magical edge - there are players out there who do perfectly well working with BF live video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrAk7ydPcmo&t=14s

That is part 1 of a 3 part interview with an in running punter who works from home.

Hint: He has watched thousands of races and has a good knowledge of jockey styles / horses / race reading.

Obviously you need to have an idea of how the race may be run, but you can also get a lot of information about the market based on how much money has been matched / on the ladders.

NB: Moderators - hope it's okay to post that video here?

Iambic

[Barnobee]

The 5th posting was from years ago, RUK is now faster than BF and other betting site sources.

I wouldn't have directed you to it if it wasn't still relevant.

What delay are you getting on each of your sources? BF seems to be about 2s most of the time.

RUK via BF is not too bad, around 1 sec behind RUK HD via Sky.
Im not too concerned about RUK as these pics can be played to a decent standard

ATR via BF is ahead of ATR via SKY, this is significant and around 4 difference. The ATR picture via BF is currently my best option for these meetings, but these pictures are still quite far behind, hard to gauge a time but its visible in the market and I am barely profitable playing these.

So for me although ATR via BF is my fastest picture option, it is still too far behind for me to play.

If I can find a better source for the ATR video I will have a lot more markets opened up that currently I am not willing to trade/play.

[iambic_pentameter]

What part of the race are you playing in? The start, middle or the end?

[Barnobee]

Don't assume that having faster pictures will give you a magical edge - there are players out there who do perfectly well working with BF live video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrAk7ydPcmo&t=14s

That is part 1 of a 3 part interview with an in running punter who works from home.

Hint: He has watched thousands of races and has a good knowledge of jockey styles / horses / race reading.

Obviously you need to have an idea of how the race may be run, but you can also get a lot of information about the market based on how much money has been matched / on the ladders.

NB: Moderators - hope it's okay to post that video here?

Iambic

Hi thanks for the comment, great video too.

I dont assume the faster pictures provide a 'magical edge'. A faster picture is definitely and edge, 0.5 seconds can be the difference between laying at 4.0 or 16.0

I have been successfully laying horse in running for some time, I can work with the delay on RUK HD, but for the way I play ATR via (BF) is too far behind for me to trade. This is the reason I am seeking a faster picture.

[Barnobee]

What part of the race are you playing in? The start, middle or the end?

Mainly the middle, but I can find opportunities in the latter stages, but this more volatile and risky on slower pics

[invisiblelayer]

Guessing pictures are more likely to get slower under Sky just look how heavily delayed the football is for example, they have no need and desire to quicken them up. They certainly had the ability to as they did when you could watch via the red button, that was a few years ago now. Best thing for the inplay punters is to hope all the tracks go to racing uk, makes it workable then for those not betting the last furlong and brings the liquidity back.

[Barnobee]

I really appreciate you getting back to me.
The Irish racing is coming to RUK in January so thats a big bonus, Its just a shame that Sky will have a big chunk of races that I wont be willing to trade if this ATR delay continues.

Thanks for your time.

Rich

[BetScalper]

Slightly different angle but yesterday I overheard a conversation around someone being paid a rather large sum of money to basically hesitate on suspending a football match after a goal was scored.

I presume the person in question was employed by BF on minimal salary.

Interesting though as I imagine in certain parts of the world it would be financially very viable on BF in-play markets.

[PeterLe]

Fast pictures alone are not the route to easy money.
Look at this race from Monday, it traded at 600 and won. So someone must have thought either it had no chance or another horse was a certain win.
The point Im trying to make is that you could easily lose a lot too, if you're not careful and have access to fast pics)
Ive watched traders using fast pics and there is still a fair amount of skill required.

(Enjoyed watching that interview with Matt Mantle - thanks for posting)

[Barnobee]

Fast pictures alone are not the route to easy money.
Look at this race from Monday, it traded at 600 and won. So someone must have thought either it had no chance or another horse was a certain win.
The point Im trying to make is that you could easily lose a lot too, if you're not careful and have access to fast pics)
Ive watched traders using fast pics and there is still a fair amount of skill required.

(Enjoyed watching that interview with Matt Mantle - thanks for posting)

I appreciate your feedback but I have every confidence in my trading ability in play, what I cant do is trade ATR via BF as the delay is too much, hence the reason I am asking for a faster picture feed.

People back at 1.01 and lose and lay at 1000 and lose, this does not concern me for my trading.

Here is a fact, the closer my picture is to Live the more efficient I am, the further behind I am the less efficient I become. This is as simple as it is and why I asked for faster pics.

[invisiblelayer]

Fast pictures alone are not the route to easy money.
Look at this race from Monday, it traded at 600 and won. So someone must have thought either it had no chance or another horse was a certain win.
The point Im trying to make is that you could easily lose a lot too, if you're not careful and have access to fast pics)
Ive watched traders using fast pics and there is still a fair amount of skill required.

(Enjoyed watching that interview with Matt Mantle - thanks for posting)

I appreciate your feedback but I have every confidence in my trading ability in play, what I cant do is trade ATR via BF as the delay is too much, hence the reason I am asking for a faster picture feed.

People back at 1.01 and lose and lay at 1000 and lose, this does not concern me for my trading.

Here is a fact, the closer my picture is to Live the more efficient I am, the further behind I am the less efficient I become. This is as simple as it is and why I asked for faster pics.

There used to be faster feeds but no longer in the loop so no idea what the score is now, if you had the right satellite equipment and a motorised dish then feeds was available that was quicker than atr, some was free to air and didn't need biss keys. This was a few years ago now so probably all changed, also some had quicker feeds and would charge around £150 a day to view via teamviewer probably well worth it if you play in running but I don't and never used but it was happening a couple of years ago. If I was you I'd go to an all weather track and ask one of the lads when setting up if was serious about faster pics, go organise a seat for a day might find out more info on feeds but track the best place I'd imagine to get info, if these feeds was still available some would be using them away from the track, seemed like a closed loop society when I knew about teamviewer feeds so best asking them at the tracks and probably keep the info to yourself if get anything positive!

[Barnobee]

Fast pictures alone are not the route to easy money.
Look at this race from Monday, it traded at 600 and won. So someone must have thought either it had no chance or another horse was a certain win.
The point Im trying to make is that you could easily lose a lot too, if you're not careful and have access to fast pics)
Ive watched traders using fast pics and there is still a fair amount of skill required.

(Enjoyed watching that interview with Matt Mantle - thanks for posting)

I appreciate your feedback but I have every confidence in my trading ability in play, what I cant do is trade ATR via BF as the delay is too much, hence the reason I am asking for a faster picture feed.

People back at 1.01 and lose and lay at 1000 and lose, this does not concern me for my trading.

Here is a fact, the closer my picture is to Live the more efficient I am, the further behind I am the less efficient I become. This is as simple as it is and why I asked for faster pics.

There used to be faster feeds but no longer in the loop so no idea what the score is now, if you had the right satellite equipment and a motorised dish then feeds was available that was quicker than atr, some was free to air and didn't need biss keys. This was a few years ago now so probably all changed, also some had quicker feeds and would charge around £150 a day to view via teamviewer probably well worth it if you play in running but I don't and never used but it was happening a couple of years ago. If I was you I'd go to an all weather track and ask one of the lads when setting up if was serious about faster pics, go organise a seat for a day might find out more info on feeds but track the best place I'd imagine to get info, if these feeds was still available some would be using them away from the track, seemed like a closed loop society when I knew about teamviewer feeds so best asking them at the tracks and probably keep the info to yourself if get anything positive!

Thanks for your feedback, I get what you are saying and I should imagine penetrating these loops would be rather difficult.

The people on track are possibly there because they cant get a faster feed.

I will have to dig a little deeper, my original question was to make sure that im not missing a trick, but it seems that if your not at the track your best bet is BF video.

If anyone can prove me wrong i would be very grateful

[steeler]

Are the pictures in bookmakers shops ahead of ATR/RUK. ? Do they take the SIS feed. ? Has anyone timed the difference ? Thanks