What should I use VPN or Tor?

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MickelC
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I want to hide my data from the ISP as it is my right to privacy. My question to all the tech geeks here is which should I go for, VPN or Tor ? Since its Halloween season and a lot of tech websites are offering Halloween sales and clearance deals with amazing price.
Please mention your choice with reasons. Thank you :roll:
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to75ne
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what you doing or what are you up to, that you need to invoke " your right of privacy "?
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ShaunWhite
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It's something everyone should be doing for many reasons. Take home shopping, the prices offered are adjusted according to the value of the device you're using to look at them with. Life insurance quotes are varied according to your interests, searches and news feeds are filtered to only show you items that agree with your world view, pop up adverts are chosen by listening to your device microphone all day and identifying keywords. The list is long besides the fundamental freedoms involved.

https://youtu.be/zBnDWSvaQ1I
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to75ne
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:06 pm
It's something everyone should be doing for many reasons. Take home shopping, the prices offered are adjusted according to the value of the device you're using to look at them with. Life insurance quotes are varied according to your interests, searches and news feeds are filtered to only show you items that agree with your world view, pop up adverts are chosen by listening to your device microphone all day and identifying keywords. The list is long besides the fundamental freedoms involved.

https://youtu.be/zBnDWSvaQ1I
never thought of that, just assumed the usual paranoia about some conspiracy that they are all out to get everyone, even the dullest and the greyest amongst us.
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Rollox
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Shaun,
Im going out to buy the cheapest mobile i can find some crappy pre-historic nokia model and all im going to look at is iceland adverts........all in all should save a few bob :D
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PDC
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:06 pm
...Take home shopping, the prices offered are adjusted according to the value of the device you're using to look at them with. Life insurance quotes are varied according to your interests, searches and news feeds are filtered to only show you items that agree with your world view, pop up adverts are chosen by listening to your device microphone all day and identifying keywords.
Sorry, but I have not heard such rubbish in a long time.
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PDC wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:04 pm
ShaunWhite wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:06 pm
...Take home shopping, the prices offered are adjusted according to the value of the device you're using to look at them with. Life insurance quotes are varied according to your interests, searches and news feeds are filtered to only show you items that agree with your world view, pop up adverts are chosen by listening to your device microphone all day and identifying keywords.
Sorry, but I have not heard such rubbish in a long time.
Think what you will, but ask yourself 1 question, what do you thing the likes of Cambridge Analytics actually do all day?
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PDC
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In all the online shopping I do I have never once seen any evidence of what you suggest, the prices have always been the same regardless of how I have accessed them.

Can you post us an example of where you are seeing the price fixing you suggest is taking place with online shopping. We can easily compare the price you are offered to the price I am offered.

Cambridge Analytics went bust btw.
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PDC wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:48 pm
In all the online shopping I do I have never once seen any evidence of what you suggest, the prices have always been the same regardless of how I have accessed them.

Can you post us an example of where you are seeing the price fixing you suggest is taking place with online shopping. We can easily compare the price you are offered to the price I am offered.

Cambridge Analytics went bust btw.
There's a dozen specialist companies offering the tech eg https://land.quicklizard.com/?keyword=P ... 0092441448 and if you have a look through wiki for things like variable pricing and price descrimination you'll see it's pretty standard. They also had a feature about it on You and Yours recently.

I'm not scaremongering, it's just how eCommerce operates..."for every single user"
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PDC
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I know it is possible and that there are companies who specialise in it but I have never seen it actually being used.

Can you give us an actual example of it in use?

Thee way you wrote about it it came across (to me at least) that it was common in online shopping but as I say I have never seen a single example of it so would be keen to see an example which by the sounds of it should be easy for you to provide.

It is one of the arguments about the implementation of smart meters for electrical use, but I think it will be a very long time until we ever actually see it in practice.
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PDC wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:11 pm

Can you give us an actual example of it in use?

PDC : Shaun is correct; Try searching for something on Amazon..then when using google for general use, you often see advertisements displaying the very same items you were searching for previously on Amazon. Another Eg, I was looking for a PC Card from Scan Computers. Even though I bought it, I was still getting the tailored adverts pitched at me for ages..

Edit ; I bought Nord VPN and use on all my devices now by the way,,
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PDC
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That is totally different to what he was talking about though, that is tracking you for adverts using cookies which I aggree happens.

It is not however what he actually said, he never mentioned tracking for adverts, one of the crazy things he tried to make appear as common was:

"Take home shopping, the prices offered are adjusted according to the value of the device you're using to look at them with."
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PDC
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PeterLe wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:58 pm
ry searching for something on Amazon..then when using google for general use, you often see advertisements displaying the very same items you were searching for previously on Amazon. Another Eg, I was looking for a PC Card from Scan Computers. Even though I bought it, I was still getting the tailored adverts pitched at me for ages..
But were they based on what they had heard you talking about via your computer/device microphone as Shaun actually said they were based upon, not your previous viewing history:

Shaun:

"adverts are chosen by listening to your device microphone all day and identifying keywords."
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PDC wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:08 pm
PeterLe wrote:
Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:58 pm
ry searching for something on Amazon..then when using google for general use, you often see advertisements displaying the very same items you were searching for previously on Amazon. Another Eg, I was looking for a PC Card from Scan Computers. Even though I bought it, I was still getting the tailored adverts pitched at me for ages..
But were they based on what they had heard you talking about via your computer/device microphone as Shaun actually said they were based upon, not your previous viewing history:

Shaun:

"adverts are chosen by listening to your device microphone all day and identifying keywords."
Sorry, I misread it. No they weren't based on my device microphones, they were just viewing history
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PDC
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Exactly, as I have no one else in my office all day and the only noise is RUK and ATR there must be something wrong with the algos as my adverts aren't linked at all to what the microphones hear all day and the trading computer is worth a lot of money so my prices should be sky high yet they are exactly the same as anyone else pays.
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