Picture delay

[PeterLe]

Thanks very much

I just had a look at Perform but couldnt find the packages. Do you have a link.

http://www.performgroup.co.uk/WhiteLabelChannels

Scroll down the page to the "Watch and Trade" service. It is £6000 per month for 4 or 5 logins, minimum term of 1 year.

Dogform
Sounds a lot, but if you could share the cost between 5 people, it equates to £40/Day? Not bad if it truly provides an edge.

Do you know of anyone who uses this service? Just interested to know if people can make it pay
Thanks
regards
Peter

[NileVentures]

I would certainly be keen to form/join a syndicate if the service really provides a measurable edge.

[Flock]

Me too. Can we all login remotely from diff IPs?

[dogform]

Dogform
Sounds a lot, but if you could share the cost between 5 people, it equates to £40/Day? Not bad if it truly provides an edge.

Do you know of anyone who uses this service? Just interested to know if people can make it pay
Thanks
regards
Peter

Peter,

I do not know anyone who is currently using the service, however, I have spoken with people who have had either a subscription in the past or participated in one of the free trials that they used to offer. One person I spoke to indicated that for one sport in particular on a free trial it was equivalent to walking round a room picking up fivers and tenners like confetti after a wedding. However, this was some time ago and the status quo could have changed.

The other feedback I received was mixed, the pictures were fast and seemed to provide an edge. On the downside the pictures were provided by an online video player and the quality was not so good. As far as I am aware, the logins could be used from a multitude of locations, the users did not need to all be in the same office or location.

Nowadays, I am not sure if the free trials are available and you have to put together your own syndicate for the logins. In the past, Cobain used to assist with forming a syndicate by aggregating interested individuals into a group, this is no longer the case as far as I am aware.

If the cost of £6000 per month covers 4 logins then this equates to approximately £50 per day per user plus VAT, if VAT is applied on the fee. The obvious step moving forward if some forum members were interested in a subscription would be to contact Perform directly to get the current facts.

As the contract with Perform is legally binding and for one year it would be in the interest of any syndicate to consult with a solicitor to draw up some type of syndicate agreement indicating each members liability should they decide to quit the syndicate mid subscription.

[dogform]

I would certainly be keen to form/join a syndicate if the service really provides a measurable edge.

Sent you PM.

[dogform]

@Flock

sent you PM

[Flock]

ATR have been promising a new product for live streaming and it`s been delayed by about 18 months for no reason. Anyone know anything?

[JayBee]

Is race radio (eg. William Hill's) delayed?

The bell coincides with a market going in-play so I am thinking there is little to no delay.

[arbtim]

At the end of the day there will always be a delay I think you just have to factor it in.
Personally I find refreshing feeds sometimes gets a better delay,if the race goes IP on BetAngel and the picture is clearly behind I'm out.
Personally I weigh up the obvious delay with the odds movements which gives a pretty clear picture of a race.
What I do find odd is the commentary is always behind sometimes by a whole fence.

[Machibist]

Anyone have feedback for perform?
I am interested in taking part/joining syndicate which for sharing subscription.

[Shergar1]

Perform is no longer doing streaming for horse racing and the sports are expensive , just use a satellite dish and pay for the freq and raw feed codes for horses , darts , tennis . Snooker . Etc

[Groovyelms]

Perform is no longer doing streaming for horse racing and the sports are expensive , just use a satellite dish and pay for the freq and raw feed codes for horses , darts , tennis . Snooker . Etc

Hi Shergar,

At the risk of sounding very dumb.... what are you refering too Re:- "frequent and raw feeds"
cheers Groovy

[Shergar1]

Hi groovey
Sorry freq was short for frequency , ie the channel you wanted to watch for example 1 frequency yesterday was 10996h 03330 , which was ripon races , obviously encrypted but the codes are available for a subscription , makes it much more playable than Betfair live video which we all know is unstable with its delay

[dogform]

Perform is no longer doing streaming for horse racing and the sports are expensive , just use a satellite dish and pay for the freq and raw feed codes for horses , darts , tennis . Snooker . Etc

Perform have contracts with some sports for satellite distribution of pictures. For these sports, Perform can add a delay into the satellite feed to ensure that their online streaming product is faster than the satellite feed. Whatever events are available on the Perform online streaming service there is a chance that Perform could be adding adding delay to the raw satellite feeds. The raw satellite feed for these sports might be playable as the pictures will generally be ahead of bookmakers online streams, it just depends if there is enough liquidity left after courtsiders and Perform online subscribers have taken their slice.

For the horse racing feeds by satellite, Perform are not involved so they are unable to add delay into the raw satellite pictures. Normally, you can expect the raw satellite feeds for horse racing to be in the region of 1.0 seconds to 1.2 seconds ahead of Betfair live video, sometimes more, on some occasions less.

One point about the horse racing feeds is that the usual satellite is wobbling up and down. At some times of the day it is more than one degree above the central point, other times it is more than one degree below the central point, ie, a 2 degree variance about a central point. This is not a problem provided the end user can pivot their dish up and down if and when required to keep a decent lock on the satellite.

[Euler]

I looked at the raw feed is a little while ago and they weren't significantly different from the live video feeds the Betfair now provide.