Trading Greyhound racing : Trading Greyhound racing

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Jukebox
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Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:40 pm

If you've placed your bet on the exchange it should be settled according to the rules of the exchange. There are exchange rules specifically for greyhound racing as well as the general rules. There shouldn't be anything vague. Check the rules and check that Betfair has applied those rules correctly.

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ANGELS15
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Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:57 pm

Thanks thats very interesting and a lot clearer than the conversations I had with Betfair On implulse I just looked up the result on the sporting life website to see if I could spot anything unusual. It appears that trap 2 (one of my selections) was a non runner? I didn't recall that at the time. I can only assume that perhaps one of the traps failed to open, very strange that if that was the case the commentator didn't pick up on it?

if that were so surely the race would have been voided. Alternatively perhaps trap 2 was withdrawn just as they were being put in the boxes. Again though I didnt't recall the commentator mentioning a withdrawal at the time. What's infuriating is that it took Betfair nearly 2 hours to void the bets. There should be some kind of rule where they have say 15 minutes or so to void the bets. It's tantamount to bookies telling the public the horses they backed and were paid out on hours ago have been voided there should be a greyhound equivalent of a 'weighed in'

Seriously considering doing my greyhound bets/trades on Betdaq (liquidity and prices poor). I had another issue with Betfair about 6 months ago. I placed a winning greyhound bet, never received the winnings, checked my account to find that the bets had been voided. Long story short it turned out that Betfair had forgotten to suspend the market. Although my bets were on before the actual off they were voided. This is the only service I know of that penalises it's customers for it's own mistakes.

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ANGELS15
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Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:07 pm

By the way my initial gratitude is to both BetScalper and Jukebox who've happened to reply to my post first. But I'm equally grateful to anyone else that has anything to add.

StellaBot
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Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:54 pm

The only info I know that maybe helpful about greyhound racing.
Had a spreadsheet of 1 track many years ago.
Over 3000 races manually inputted.
Data included position at each bend, grade, distance, time, going, bumped etc.
What I did find that 20% of greyhounds get bumped interfered with in races.
Could be 4 bumped in 1 race or 0 in others etc.
Statistically the greyhounds who got bumped, next time out with clear run improved on average by 0.2 seconds which is fast in greyhounds terms.
However there is 1 other important factor never mentioned in racing papers, race cards etc thats very important
If there is anyone who has collected data on their local or ideally many tracks
Let me know if you have data eg database or spreadsheet of results

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Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:17 am

Does anyone know if a disk is available called DogPak
Based on american 8 dog races but could be used for uk.
I had it many years ago cost about £5
I think it was one of thos 3 1/2 inch hard disks

Derek27
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:40 am

StellaBot wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:17 am
Does anyone know if a disk is available called DogPak
Based on american 8 dog races but could be used for uk.
I had it many years ago cost about £5
I think it was one of thos 3 1/2 inch hard disks
I really struggle to understand you sometimes, StellaBot. :)

Do you mean software called DogPak on a 3.5 inch floppy disk?

StellaBot
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:09 am

Yes Derek
I had the disk
3 1/2 I think was for american dog racing
Basically a database that calculated its own going allowance etc which was never far off the uk prediction.

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Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:30 am

I have hinted at an edge to all
First part is 0.2 second improvevement on average after being bumped.
There is a second part.
I know ,but wont post

Derek27
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:47 am

StellaBot wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:30 am
I have hinted at an edge to all
First part is 0.2 second improvevement on average after being bumped.
There is a second part.
I know ,but wont post
Still struggling to understand what that's about!

Just google "DogPak" and you might find it or someone who can upload a copy.

StellaBot
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Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:01 am

OK Derek it did exist years ago
I didnt use it as a database or prediction thing.
Lets imagine it didnt exist
I had my own data collection process .
So The 0.2 seconds improvement with my manual input of over 3000 races.
That includes bump etc or not bumped.

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