Southwell 12.20 18th January, 2018 What a joke!!!!!!!

[mhorro]

Hi,

This cannot be right!!!!!!!

Layed the field at 1.81 pre-off for a small stake of £1.81

It was head to head between two horses close to the line.

Guess only one horse matched at odds of 1.81

How is this possible?

This is starting to worry me.

Thanks,

Mark

[Derek27]

I didn't watch the race but if it was head-to-head with either horse having a chance, there's no reason why they would both be backed at 1.81. More likely they would be trading at 2.0ish.

[BetScalper]

Cross matching ?

[mhorro]

I am starting to worry about this as it was head to head a long way out to the line. Did anyone else hit a similar problem on the race.

[BetScalper]

Like has been said, they wouldn't both trade below 2.0 otherwise everyone would be laying at 1.9 or lower etc.

[ShaunWhite]

I am starting to worry about this as it was head to head a long way out to the line. Did anyone else hit a similar problem on the race.

They can be head to head and one look like a 1.33 and the other looks like a 3, especially if they are still 1/4f out. You're also competing against a lot of people playing the close finish game so good luck getting filled.

[mhorro]

Thanks I would love to see a replay of the traded prices in-play on the race in the last 2f.

[Dallas]

Loser never got below 2.10

[ShaunWhite]

Like has been said, they wouldn't both trade below 2.0 otherwise everyone would be laying at 1.9 or lower etc.

Obviously not at the same time but it's not unreasonable to expect both to trade sub 2 in a real ding dong to the line. But as I said it's usually the case that one looks stronger than the other.

[mhorro]

Dallas many thanks for the that. .I must be having a bad hair day!

[Derek27]

I am starting to worry about this as it was head to head a long way out to the line. Did anyone else hit a similar problem on the race.

They can be head to head and one look like a 1.33 and the other looks like a 3, especially if they are still 1/4f out. You're also competing against a lot of people playing the close finish game so good luck getting filled.

Derek Thompson is the only commentator who would give a description of a dramatic and exciting head-to-head finish when one of them is clearly on top or always holding the other.

[Derek27]

I am starting to worry about this as it was head to head a long way out to the line. Did anyone else hit a similar problem on the race.

Not quite sure what you were worrying about, but if you're strategy is to lay the entire field, you may be better off not watching the race and just moving onto the next.

Laying the field requires a certain percentage of winners to succeed so you just need to focus on finding the best price and the best races or courses where it works.

[ShaunWhite]

Was that better ? (15:55) In that battle 2nd hit 1.32.

[ANGELS15]

I don't know how to post a link to a thread back in October 2017 where several of us were discussing stats on laying the field. I commented that on occasions I've seen tight photo finishes and yet only one horse in the photo had traded odds on. On one occasion the one that traded odds on actually lost in the photo!

I also gave my reasons why I don't believe laying the field is likely to be a succesful strategy long term. Although of course I concede that there will be the odd person around that may have a good angle on it and may be able to make it work.

I've seen so many races where there are several horses in close proximity scrapping out the finish a furlong or so out yet on my screen one may already gone odds on and goes on to win the race narrowly about 30 seconds later. I may have laid the field at 2/1 and expected that I should have got at least 3 matched and broken even only to find perhaps I've only gotten one or two matched resulting in a loss. luckily I've only done it with small stakes.

I also believe from past experience of watching live racing that you get a different picture to watching on tv. I would see a group of horses battling away a furlong out yet you could already see one of them poised and go on to win. I'd watch the replay on the racecourse tv and it would look as if they all had a fairly equal chance.

There are far too many people able to bet live on course these days able to bet literally in the last 50 yards where to live viewers you can see one of the battling horses is the likely winner. I'm not saying they get it right 100% because they don't, but your're at a real disadvantage doing this kind of thing at home with all the picture delays etc.

I've only done this in just over 100 races which is not enough to get a very accurate picture but I would say so far I've been succesful in laying the field about 20% of the time broke even about 30% and lost
the other 50%.

[spreadbetting]

There are far too many people able to bet live on course these days able to bet literally in the last 50 yards where to live viewers you can see one of the battling horses is the likely winner. I'm not saying they get it right 100% because they don't, but your're at a real disadvantage doing this kind of thing at home with all the picture delays etc.

Exactly, obviously they don't always get it right but having a 5+ second advantage over the at home players should be more than enough to get it right more often than wrong. Plenty of those on course players only get involved when they think they know the winner, they're not interested in two or more horses head bobbing all the way to the line, they're fully aware a better opportunity will come along soon enough and keep the powder dry.

I didn't see the race so no idea when the likely winner was known but at that point x-matching plays into their hands so I wouldn't be surprised to see a horse not go under 2's. Also depending on the odds people still give betting preference to the favourites until things become obvious. If you want to bet blindly on laying the fields you should check out which courses give you the best chance i.e. ones with uphill finshes etc and also check out which network it's shown on as ATR courses will always be at a bigger disadvantage.