Automation and Greening

[billbo001]

Hi Jim,
The automation itself is working fine, but today had 3 times loss the back stack of £15, its because right at the last minute the 2nd favourite just gets in front and wins, which is annoying. I dont know how to tighten the automation up so this doesnt happen!!!
Yes, tricky. I should have put a green up rule in I know but havnt. If I do put a 'green all' condition in. Do I have to do it on each rule I have (i.e 5f,6F,1m,1.1M etc..)?
In the 'green all' condition, thats where I have to be careful, Less than -£7.50, which is half the stack. But the price can then fluctuate and I would have more green out's at -£7.50 which will get annoying.
Its so annoying, its beautiful when it happens, lts greens of £1.50 upwards, making a nice little pot, then boom £15.00 Red pops in.........
Cheers bud

[MemphisFlash]

why dont you think about changing the strategy so instead of getting the £1.5 wins you get the £15 wins? Analyse what causes it and can it be replicated. If it can then receate you bot to do the reverse of what it is doing now.

[billbo001]

Memphis
I like your thinking and my profit. I am probably an amateur compared to you buddy. Just managing to get my head round this one first then maybe try and figure it out! Pretty chuffed (in my mind) and have a near 85% working automation.

[MemphisFlash]

no point in having an 85% working bot when one result wipes out all profit.

[billbo001]

That’s why it’s 85% working, with a bit more work, I will get it to 100%. Be Positive Memphis

[MemphisFlash]

bit of advice. no bot is ever 100%. losses occur.

[billbo001]

Thanks for for advise. As stated to Jim. I would like to tighten the automation up and maybe he had some thoughts on that. Maybe you might?

[jimibt]

Thanks for for advise. As stated to Jim. I would like to tighten the automation up and maybe he had some thoughts on that. Maybe you might?

one other small data point that might be useful to look at is to flag up whether the main runner is ever challenged for the top spot. if this happens (i.e. the 2nd fave comes in but then drifts out again), then you may want to ignore that race. you can measure this by setting a signal to track the runners and only back the fave it it has never been challenged in its lead. i will say tho that this alone will probably not be enough to take your profits up the the required level. beyond this, you could look at the other mechanical factors involved in the final stages of the race, such as the book% spinning out as the other runner odds all adjust at the close. you could also think about this rule as a lay based rule and lay 2-3 runnersthat have never been in contention but are still within decent odds (i.e <8-12 odds).

just another way to view this...

[Dallas]

Just to add on to what Jimibt has just said, below are a few bots from the shared files section which should give you some further ideas on how to implement these suggestions

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[MemphisFlash]

this is one of my bots this morning.

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[billbo001]

Thankyou Jim for your input. Im a bit like this when I read your post Jim
Thanks Dallas. I could nick a couple of ideas from those lot you sent. You showing off Memphis. Bloody good show though!! Nice automation!!

[billbo001]

Jim
How about 'book percentage' back book percentage at 90% ?

[jimibt]

Jim
How about 'book percentage' back book percentage at 90% ?

yes a decent start. try experimenting with values where one is x% below 100% and another is an equal %age ABOVE 100% and see if the results vary. play with these attributes and values and you'll soon start to see how small differences in trigger time and odds will occur. from that, you should start to see how you can use those to home in on your desired outcome. plan your moves on paper as some sort of flow chart and break it down into the smallest working unit for each *step*. that way, you can fix problems quickly and also, if something in a unit/block works, you can use it elsewhere.

[billbo001]

Thankyou. Im going to start at greater than 85%, go from there. I think 90% might be too high.

[jimibt]

Thankyou. Im going to start at greater than 85%, go from there. I think 90% might be too high.

i don't think you'll get many hits on your rule below about 96-97% (you may be thinking about the lay side). you may find it interesting to see how it works when you go the other way (up to say 115-120%)