Bet Angel - Automation : Sorted by order of Favouritism Question.

Advanced automation available in Guardian - Chat with others and share files here.
Post Reply
User avatar
Willygubbins
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:03 pm

Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:52 pm

When you are using automation rules and you are picking your selection by order of favouritism, how does guardian order horses with the same odds?

dt888
Posts: 171
Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:25 pm

Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm

Im pretty sure if 2 or more horses are the same price it will default to the betfair row order for those horses to decide which positions of favouritism it will recognise them in. Maybe somebody else could confirm this

User avatar
Willygubbins
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:03 pm

Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:24 pm

dt888 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm
Im pretty sure if 2 or more horses are the same price it will default to the betfair row order for those horses to decide which positions of favouritism it will recognise them in. Maybe somebody else could confirm this
Cheers for the reply, so is row order the stall order?
Last edited by Willygubbins on Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

dt888
Posts: 171
Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:25 pm

Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:29 pm

Row order would be the row index order (Betfair order)

User avatar
Willygubbins
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:03 pm

Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:57 pm

That is correct it does revert to the "Betfair Order" What in the hell do Betfair use to determine their order?

User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 7392
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm

Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:08 pm

Willygubbins wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:57 pm
That is correct it does revert to the "Betfair Order" What in the hell do Betfair use to determine their order?
Depends on the sport, football they are fixed ie, match odds always has home row 1 away row 2 and draw row 3,
In greyhounds the just use the trap number as the row index

For horse racing its a rough expectation of what they think the order of favoritism maybe, they can sometimes reorder them the following morning if this changes significantly since they open the market initially.

User avatar
Willygubbins
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:03 pm

Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:12 pm

Dallas wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:08 pm
Willygubbins wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:57 pm
That is correct it does revert to the "Betfair Order" What in the hell do Betfair use to determine their order?
Depends on the sport, football they are fixed ie, match odds always has home row 1 away row 2 and draw row 3,
In greyhounds the just use the trap number as the row index

For horse racing its a rough expectation of what they think the order of favoritism maybe, they can sometimes reorder them the following morning if this changes significantly since they open the market initially.
Thanks dallas so there is no historic data i can use to dtermine what the betfair order would have been when dealing with historic data?

User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 7392
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm

Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:27 pm

Willygubbins wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:12 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:08 pm
Willygubbins wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:57 pm
That is correct it does revert to the "Betfair Order" What in the hell do Betfair use to determine their order?
Depends on the sport, football they are fixed ie, match odds always has home row 1 away row 2 and draw row 3,
In greyhounds the just use the trap number as the row index

For horse racing its a rough expectation of what they think the order of favoritism maybe, they can sometimes reorder them the following morning if this changes significantly since they open the market initially.
Thanks dallas so there is no historic data i can use to dtermine what the betfair order would have been when dealing with historic data?
Im not sure what you mean?

User avatar
Willygubbins
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:03 pm

Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:01 pm

Dallas wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:27 pm
Willygubbins wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:12 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:08 pm


Depends on the sport, football they are fixed ie, match odds always has home row 1 away row 2 and draw row 3,
In greyhounds the just use the trap number as the row index

For horse racing its a rough expectation of what they think the order of favoritism maybe, they can sometimes reorder them the following morning if this changes significantly since they open the market initially.
Thanks dallas so there is no historic data i can use to dtermine what the betfair order would have been when dealing with historic data?
Im not sure what you mean?
Ok, So here is a scenaro, i have a historic data set which includes betfair exchange odds pre off, say I want to use this data to look at the position of a runner by order of fav over a period of time pre off, lets say if the 3rd fav runner remains the 3rd fav at 15mins/5mins/3mins/2mins/1min before the off then i place a bet..... where i have the issue is if in my data have a 3rd/4th or 2nd/3rd fav runner or even 2nd/3rd/4th fav runners with the same odds, i currently have no way of being certain that they will be the same fav order as bet angel would have them. as i have no way to ref "Betfair Order" historically, therefore introducing a margine of error that i cannot reduce.

User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 7392
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm

Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:44 pm

Willygubbins wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:01 pm
Dallas wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:27 pm
Willygubbins wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:12 pm


Thanks dallas so there is no historic data i can use to dtermine what the betfair order would have been when dealing with historic data?
Im not sure what you mean?
Ok, So here is a scenaro, i have a historic data set which includes betfair exchange odds pre off, say I want to use this data to look at the position of a runner by order of fav over a period of time pre off, lets say if the 3rd fav runner remains the 3rd fav at 15mins/5mins/3mins/2mins/1min before the off then i place a bet..... where i have the issue is if in my data have a 3rd/4th or 2nd/3rd fav runner or even 2nd/3rd/4th fav runners with the same odds, i currently have no way of being certain that they will be the same fav order as bet angel would have them. as i have no way to ref "Betfair Order" historically, therefore introducing a margine of error that i cannot reduce.
The row order which Bet Angel shows is the same Betfair row order Betfair have.
As I said earlier and Spreadbetting said on your other thread the initial row order is based on Betfairs tissue price and is subject to change as a market starts to form, unless there is a WD runner the row index numbers will remain the same, hence you will get some out of sync as the start draws nearer and prices begin to move.
Unless you were collecting data by row index very ealy after the market opens ie, the day before the race it wont matter to you.

The order of favourtism is going to change for just about every sport in the run up to the off and will always be changing when in-play, depending how your working with your data you should be able to follow its order for the period you have captured.

Post Reply

Return to “Bet Angel - Automation”

  • Information
  • Who is online

    Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests