Trading Politics : EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)

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jimibt
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:48 pm

ShaunWhite wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:23 pm
The good news story is that our new trade deal with the Faroe Islands is in place, so Jimi's supply of sweaters is safe.
... right, if only they can knit the rest of the UK back together then ;0

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Naffman
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:57 pm

Gives me confidence the govt. is finally on the right track if 3 of the most remain Tory MP's have quit

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ShaunWhite
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:48 pm

Anyone who works for a party and leaves after 30 yrs on principal, has to be admired even if you don't agree with their principals. Not a decision taken lightly. Hopefully a new centre party will emerge to better represent the bell curve of opinions, that's a good thing no matter where you stand personally. 52% said leave, 48% said remain, basic stats say that means about 70% would prefer an outcome within 1sd of the middle ground.

R4 Moral Maze had interesting and intelligent debate (no change there then) on The Moral Duties of MPs if anyone's interested in .

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ruthlessimon
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

ShaunWhite wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:48 pm
Anyone who works for a party and leaves after 30 yrs on principal, has to be admired
If they're principled, they'd fight by-elections! #Soubry! #peoplesvote :D

Bit ranty there ;) , so I'll compromise by saying: Maybe a tiny back on GE in 2019 - exploit the splits. Good ol' fptp

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ShaunWhite
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:46 pm

ruthlessimon wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm
ShaunWhite wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:48 pm
Anyone who works for a party and leaves after 30 yrs on principal, has to be admired
If they're principled, they'd fight by-elections! #Soubry! #peoplesvote :D

Bit ranty there ;) , so I'll compromise by saying: Maybe a tiny back on GE in 2019 - exploit the splits. Good ol' fptp
Since when did you start taking indiviual runners from a sample to using them to characterise the overall premise ? :D

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ruthlessimon
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:06 pm

Come on Shaun we both wanna see a Broxtowe market; it's free money :mrgreen:

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superfrank
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Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:43 pm

ShaunWhite wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:48 pm
52% said leave, 48% said remain, basic stats say that means about 70% would prefer an outcome within 1sd of the middle ground.
It was a binary issue. The "middle ground" is just another form of Remain.

The 52% wanted change, not the status quo/middle ground that they're sick to death of. They were reliably informed that leaving would result in economic catastrophe and a possible 3rd world war but took the chance anyway.

That shower in the Independent [of Democracy] Group stood on a promise to implement Brexit. Failing to call by-elections is true to form for them.

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ticktake
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Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:25 am

superfrank wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:43 pm
It was a binary issue. The "middle ground" is just another form of Remain.

The 52% wanted change, not the status quo/middle ground that they're sick to death of. They were reliably informed that leaving would result in economic catastrophe and a possible 3rd world war but took the chance anyway.

That shower in the Independent [of Democracy] Group stood on a promise to implement Brexit. Failing to call by-elections is true to form for them.
How was it binary?

Stay in or leave on wto would be binary. Stay in or "change" is not binary because the change could be anything - it's STILL unknown now.

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Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:43 am

superfrank wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:43 pm
ShaunWhite wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:48 pm
52% said leave, 48% said remain, basic stats say that means about 70% would prefer an outcome within 1sd of the middle ground.
It was a binary issue. The "middle ground" is just another form of Remain.

The 52% wanted change, not the status quo/middle ground that they're sick to death of. They were reliably informed that leaving would result in economic catastrophe and a possible 3rd world war but took the chance anyway.

That shower in the Independent [of Democracy] Group stood on a promise to implement Brexit. Failing to call by-elections is true to form for them.
Superfrank has super nailed it.

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Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:47 am

superfrank wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:43 pm
ShaunWhite wrote:
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:48 pm
52% said leave, 48% said remain, basic stats say that means about 70% would prefer an outcome within 1sd of the middle ground.

The 52% wanted change, not the status quo/middle ground that they're sick to death of. They were reliably informed that leaving would result in economic catastrophe and a possible 3rd world war but took the chance anyway.
With this, I sense the remain campaigners thought the doom and gloom strategy would scare everyone into their camp. The evening before it seemed to have worked as the odds were 1/4 odds on that remain would oblige.

David Cameron made his last ditch speech. ;)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 93426.html

2 years on, the doom that was predicted, hasn't materialised. Now, the new doom and gloom being broadcast, is the No-Deal scenario.

I believe the remain campaigners should have focussed on spinning positive(s) not the negatives(s). Even the now they are doing the same with the no deal scenario. If it goes back to the people, (Vote for the withdrawal agreement or a no deal scenario), there is a high probability the latter will win through based on the reason the project fear guys didn't learn their lesson 2 years ago.

Their campaign should be based on Project Fearless not Project Fear.

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