Trading What I see !?

Learn sports betting strategies and discuss key factors to consider when placing a bet.
Post Reply
Maturin
Posts: 56
Joined: Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:30 pm

That's probably my most frequent error - nicely in profit on the drifting fave, which then crashed back in at the end and I don't get out in time.
User avatar
goat68
Posts: 2019
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:53 pm
Location: Hampshire, UK

Seems best trade today was to go the opposite of the WOM
User avatar
goat68
Posts: 2019
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:53 pm
Location: Hampshire, UK

You've got to remember I've only been doing this 6 months, so I don't know what my edge is yet and no one is going to give me one, hence I'm just experimenting until I find one!
User avatar
goat68
Posts: 2019
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:53 pm
Location: Hampshire, UK

Trader Pat wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:09 pm
goat68 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:46 pm
Must remember ignore ladder money, ignore charts, so what the hell can I base a trade on??
I don't know where you got the idea to ignore ladder money but that's a fundamental error when trading horse racing markets, 90% of your focus should be on the ladder of the runner you're trading.
But it just beats you up, it goes up up down a bit, loads of money want up, up, down down down down down down !!
Trader Pat
Posts: 4327
Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:50 pm

goat68 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:31 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:09 pm
goat68 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:46 pm
Must remember ignore ladder money, ignore charts, so what the hell can I base a trade on??
I don't know where you got the idea to ignore ladder money but that's a fundamental error when trading horse racing markets, 90% of your focus should be on the ladder of the runner you're trading.
But it just beats you up, it goes up up down a bit, loads of money want up, up, down down down down down down !!

You know my opinion I think you're in the market too early and when the money arrives it can catch you out and beat you up so its best to wait and do nothing until you see that action on the ladder. Then when it starts you can make an informed judgement on what you think may happen. What you're doing is your getting involved in the market before this money arrives and there is nothing much happening.

I have to ask if you're ignoring charts and money on the ladder, what are you basing your entries on?
User avatar
goat68
Posts: 2019
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:53 pm
Location: Hampshire, UK

Trader Pat wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:44 pm
goat68 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:31 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:09 pm


I don't know where you got the idea to ignore ladder money but that's a fundamental error when trading horse racing markets, 90% of your focus should be on the ladder of the runner you're trading.
But it just beats you up, it goes up up down a bit, loads of money want up, up, down down down down down down !!

You know my opinion I think you're in the market too early and when the money arrives it can catch you out and beat you up so its best to wait and do nothing until you see that action on the ladder. Then when it starts you can make an informed judgement on what you think may happen. What you're doing is your getting involved in the market before this money arrives and there is nothing much happening.

I have to ask if you're ignoring charts and money on the ladder, what are you basing your entries on?
I base it on the charts. My comment meant to say everyone says don't base just on charts, that's just an intro...
So I was in at 9mins, given there was reasonable money coming in I thought it seemed reasonable. The sentiment changed at 4mins
Trader Pat
Posts: 4327
Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:50 pm

goat68 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:51 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:44 pm
goat68 wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:31 pm


But it just beats you up, it goes up up down a bit, loads of money want up, up, down down down down down down !!

You know my opinion I think you're in the market too early and when the money arrives it can catch you out and beat you up so its best to wait and do nothing until you see that action on the ladder. Then when it starts you can make an informed judgement on what you think may happen. What you're doing is your getting involved in the market before this money arrives and there is nothing much happening.

I have to ask if you're ignoring charts and money on the ladder, what are you basing your entries on?
I base it on the charts. My comment meant to say everyone says don't base just on charts, that's just an intro...
So I was in at 9mins, given there was reasonable money coming in I thought it seemed reasonable. The sentiment changed at 4mins

In an evening meeting where there is 30 minutes between races its ok to trade 10 minutes out but you always have to be ready for the rush of money coming into the market. There's no set time for that to happen, could be 4 minutes could be 2 minutes but you'll notice when it arrives that's why you have to be careful how much exposure you already have in the market. During a normal day you can see when the money comes into the market because it coincides with the end of the previous race. Days like today are much harder to read because of clashes so its harder to know when the money will arrive but going forward if you insist on being in the market so early when there are still other races in play at least pay attention to when the previous race finishes so that you can see the money arriving and get a feel for it.
User avatar
firlandsfarm
Posts: 2720
Joined: Sat May 03, 2014 8:20 am

Kai wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:33 pm
Actually, I really don't understand the obsession with the prerace market, it must be a British thing, lul, and most of us foreigners that I talked to feel the same.
Hi Kai, sorry but I'm not sure I'm following you ... are you saying most "foreigners" favour the in-running markets?
auto-matt
Posts: 136
Joined: Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:58 pm

speedyhamster wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:06 am
about mindsets

https://www.brainpickings.org/2014/01/2 ... k-mindset/
Great post, have you read the book by any chance and if so would you recommend it?
User avatar
Kai
Posts: 6228
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:21 pm

firlandsfarm wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:06 am
Kai wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:33 pm
Actually, I really don't understand the obsession with the prerace market, it must be a British thing, lul, and most of us foreigners that I talked to feel the same.
Hi Kai, sorry but I'm not sure I'm following you ... are you saying most "foreigners" favour the in-running markets?
I meant they favor other sports mostly, hardly a secret. But yeah actually, the Portuguese for example are equally obsessed with the inplay racing market, haven't run into a single prerace trader.
Trader Pat
Posts: 4327
Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:50 pm

Kai wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:10 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:06 am
Kai wrote:
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:33 pm
Actually, I really don't understand the obsession with the prerace market, it must be a British thing, lul, and most of us foreigners that I talked to feel the same.
Hi Kai, sorry but I'm not sure I'm following you ... are you saying most "foreigners" favour the in-running markets?
I meant they favor other sports mostly, hardly a secret. But yeah actually, the Portuguese for example are equally obsessed with the inplay racing market, haven't run into a single prerace trader.
What do you trade Kai?
User avatar
Kai
Posts: 6228
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:21 pm

Trader Pat wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:08 pm
What do you trade Kai?
Football mostly. I like inplay racing though, while prerace is better suited to automation in my opinion.

Hang in there Mr Goat! What doesn't tilt you will only make you stronger. Except for outages that is :ugeek:
Trader Pat
Posts: 4327
Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:50 pm

Kai wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:16 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:08 pm
What do you trade Kai?
Football mostly. I like inplay racing though, while prerace is better suited to automation in my opinion.

Hang in there Mr Goat! What doesn't tilt you will only make you stronger. Except for outages that is :ugeek:
Inplay too much of a white knuckle ride for me! :)
User avatar
Kai
Posts: 6228
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:21 pm

Trader Pat wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:31 pm
Inplay too much of a white knuckle ride for me! :)
If you'd rather be surrounded by other traders than degenerate gamblers then that's perfectly fine! :D

If we do a detailed comparison analysis which will take just a moment, we can conclude how trading prerace feels like

Image

Compared to trading football markets

Image

And finally inplay racing of course

Image
User avatar
goat68
Posts: 2019
Joined: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:53 pm
Location: Hampshire, UK

Kai wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:35 pm
Trader Pat wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 3:31 pm
Inplay too much of a white knuckle ride for me! :)
If you'd rather be surrounded by other traders than degenerate gamblers then that's perfectly fine! :D

If we do a detailed comparison analysis which will take just a moment, we can conclude how trading prerace feels like

Image

Compared to trading football markets

Image

And finally inplay racing of course

Image
🤣😂🤣😂😆
Post Reply

Return to “Betfair trading strategies”