Trading Horse racing : Faster Pics Anyone?

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andyrich666
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Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:32 pm

I live in Spain (where generally all Satellite is free to a point) I can assure you there are people that have SIS pictures, none of these are in HD so i assume that it is pretty easy, I guess you would just use the same decryption they use for Sky SD

I have also noticed some places have William Hill TV

HorseRacer
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Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:40 pm

Thanks Andyrich


A little update. 98lewisj never got back to my PM but another forum user did get a response from him and kindly forwarded it to me.

With a lot of searching however I may have found an alternative way to get faster pics without having to go down the route of satellite dishes.

I'm going to trial a streaming service this week who say they can deliver faster pics via internet stream. I'm optimistic as this will be far less hassle and overhead. I'll report back if the stream is indeed quicker and if so by what margin.

Cheers

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fr33m4n
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Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:28 pm

It would be extremely helpful to get live fast pictures from the races. I'm testing some new "In-Play" strategies, and definitely interested in this kind of service.

I live in Brazil, so i can't have a RUK account unfortunately. :cry:

aperson
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:57 pm

Been playing around with this today, (got a new monitor so finally have the screen space to stream events while trading). 365 has the fastest streams for me, faster than both BF and BD, and faster than any other bookmaker I tried although I didn't try them all.However RUK is faster than any of the streams.

Also noticed 365 now offer betting in-play on horses. I didn't realise any bookmaker offered this. I don't know how they price up an entire race in real time. I presume they must link it to an exchange price and add in a huge margin to protect themselves. They also closed the market in the last few furlongs.

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fr33m4n
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Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:16 pm

Wait a second... I just found that RUK offers a International Subscription. Is that correct? Too good to be true?

I didn't complete the registration, but I think this is for members who lives outside U.K.?

What's the picture quality compared to others streams?

Man, i'm really lost here! :oops:

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ShaunWhite
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Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:24 am

I rate the picture quality a 'good enough'. But then again I only use it up until the start of the race. Standard SD and at a good framerate (25fps+). All pictures come from the same RaceTech TV crew so a bad day on one is a bad day on all (weather etc). Delay varies but usually only about 2s behind live...given what's happening to get it from there I find it quite impressive really.

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fr33m4n
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Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:25 am

ShaunWhite wrote:I rate the picture quality a 'good enough'. But then again I only use it up until the start of the race. Standard SD and at a good framerate (25fps+). All pictures come from the same RaceTech TV crew so a bad day on one is a bad day on all (weather etc). Delay varies but usually only about 2s behind live...given what's happening to get it from there I find it quite impressive really.
Thanks for the reply.

I usually trade on football matches with 4s-8s delay, so 2s seems to be fantastic. The main problem with BF streams is the size and the quality of the streams.

I work with two 25' screens plus the the 15' MacBook screen. I thought that when using the RUK streams, I was able at least, run it in full screen during in play in one of my Monitors.

I will try the service for one month, to see if it suits my new in-play strategies.

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bennyboy351
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Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:10 pm

If I can send an email to The USA in under 1 second - and receive a reply just as quickly - why can't I get TRULY live pictures from such as Doncaster? I smell a Betfair rat.......

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fr33m4n
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bennyboy351 wrote:If I can send an email to The USA in under 1 second - and receive a reply just as quickly - why can't I get TRULY live pictures from such as Doncaster? I smell a Betfair rat.......
I think that's because of the video codecs(Flash?)! I saw that RUK offers live pictures in HD too, but not all the races. That's definitely good stuff

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ShaunWhite
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Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:43 am

bennyboy351 wrote:If I can send an email to The USA in under 1 second - and receive a reply just as quickly - why can't I get TRULY live pictures from such as Doncaster? I smell a Betfair rat.......
You're kidding right ?
An email is about 1k of data and live streaming is orders of magnitude more data and infinately more complex.

The stream delay includes; transmission from the camera to the OB van, audio mixing and encoding for retransmission, satellite transmission to RaceTech HQ, overlaying with graphics and odds etc, rescaling for each streaming service BF, BD, RUK, C4 including flash encoding, out through dozens of switching routers and DA converters where it's moving from fibre to copper, more switching and packet size changes on the RacingUK servers, account validation, branding overlays, more transmission to your local exchange, more repackaging and data throttling, finally arrives at your pc, then flash decoding, more rescaling then it's displayed. 921,600 pixels, every 40 milliseconds. It's far from trivial.

Where have you ever seen 'live' pictures anywhere anyway? They don't exist.
A 2 second delay for a budget service is truely incredible.

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