it should look something like this:Willygubbins wrote:thanks for that i'll have a look at it in a bit, going back to the kill or fill, I just tick the box in the parameters section pf the back bet rule? i just did that and run on a race and it only presented one back bet......now of course it is possible that it only met the conditions once however it seems odd....I've got it set to run on the next few races.
Stable Scalping Guardian Automation Bot for Horse Racing
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ok, having a look at the file,i have a few questions, regarding the weight of money, if we are refering to the lay side are we not looking for the same weight as we are looking for on the back side to instagate a scalp that is going to drift as aposed to steaming? or is this more of a cover both bases? why is the reference to the lay price of those positions? why is the greening in the conditions aswell as the offset with greening? is there any way to add a condition that acknowledges if there is large sums of unmatched money holding it up? also I know betfair get the hump with practise mode, how much will i get away with (i am using it a little whilst i use practise mode for matched bets etc)? thanks again.
willy, quick explanation:Willygubbins wrote:ok, having a look at the file,i have a few questions, regarding the weight of money, if we are refering to the lay side are we not looking for the same weight as we are looking for on the back side to instagate a scalp that is going to drift as aposed to steaming? or is this more of a cover both bases? why is the reference to the lay price of those positions? why is the greening in the conditions aswell as the offset with greening? is there any way to add a condition that acknowledges if there is large sums of unmatched money holding it up? also I know betfair get the hump with practise mode, how much will i get away with (i am using it a little whilst i use practise mode for matched bets etc)? thanks again.
1. the WOM is a single value that reflects the weight of money against the lay price. We can thus use it such; less than 35% to represent more weight on the back (i.e. more money being offered up as backs) and conversely, a number such as greater than 65% to infer that the price action is focussed on the lay side of the book. The numbers i had chosen are purely arbitary and can be changed as required.
2. Regards the lay price < lay price in pos #4. When comparing relative prices, I tend to use the lay price if comparing BELOW the target and use the back price if comparing above the target. Just an idiosicracy of mine. You could use back < if you preferred and would achieve the same result. The entire reason for this condition is to ensure that we are not placing bets on wild outsiders that could change direction in a flash.
3. The greening conditions are in the rule so as not to place bets when the overall position on the market is either really highly exposed and likewise not to place bets when the market is in a healthy state of green. This can be a lifesaver as it means that you have a fairly predictable position in the market at all times (i.e. you know you'll not be firing off more bets when your overall position is doing badly). Again, remove it if not applicable in your scenario
4. There is no way to use the rules conditions (at present) to data mine the market depth to obtain this info.
5. Re practice mode. I've got many trial rules running in practice mode all day long and have yet to get banned by betfair for this practice. That said, this could be because i do put the odd real bet thro the market every now and again, so this may keep my account sweet.
Hope this helps. I guess I'm saying that all those conditions that you queried are optional extras and their removal or change will affect the overall position, so experiment.
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thank you for your explanations, it is greatly appreciated. i cant just copy something blindly i need to understand the logic, it is a bit late for me to fully digest, i will absorb tomorrow and report back.
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so the early signs are good, i have changed liabilty to stake.......but i now means both steaming and drifting tradfes offer equal value, it seems to favour the drifting scalps....im sure it is just how the market is behaving. overall very impressed with its functionality. if i were to up the stakes then i would need to adjust the greening up conditions to suit? how much differently will this behave in a real market re matching bets in your experience?
willy -pre-race, depending on the liquidity, you could be easily putting larger stakes up to 10 times the default size and still get matched. as you say, you'd need to change the greening functionality to match the new ratio of the stakes, but otherwise, should be set.Willygubbins wrote:so the early signs are good, i have changed liabilty to stake.......but i now means both steaming and drifting tradfes offer equal value, it seems to favour the drifting scalps....im sure it is just how the market is behaving. overall very impressed with its functionality. if i were to up the stakes then i would need to adjust the greening up conditions to suit? how much differently will this behave in a real market re matching bets in your experience?
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hi re the kill or fill time, is there a rule of thumb or any recommendations for how long this should be based on liquidity? clearly if you are using larger stakes you need to give them time to match.
also i think i have worked out why it favours the lay side so much, it is set to trigger at 0 ticks below reverse best price and the back is set to trigger at 0 ticks above reverse, so surely they are both set to trigger on the current lay price?
is there any way of stopping the automation once a certain profit / loss is achieved?
also i think i have worked out why it favours the lay side so much, it is set to trigger at 0 ticks below reverse best price and the back is set to trigger at 0 ticks above reverse, so surely they are both set to trigger on the current lay price?
is there any way of stopping the automation once a certain profit / loss is achieved?
Hi willy - the reverse price in each case is basically the lay price (from the back bet) and the back price from the lay bet, so both are the same in effect (i.e. place the back bet at the lay bet price and place the lay bet at the back price).
As for stopping the rule triggering after a certain profit, I think that there was a condition in the actual lay and back bet actions to only place bets when the green all profit was between two parameters (i.e don't place anything <-£2 and don't place further if the profit is > £2). You can adjust this to match your requirement. The screenshot below shows this:
Hope this helps
As for stopping the rule triggering after a certain profit, I think that there was a condition in the actual lay and back bet actions to only place bets when the green all profit was between two parameters (i.e don't place anything <-£2 and don't place further if the profit is > £2). You can adjust this to match your requirement. The screenshot below shows this:
Hope this helps
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so there is no other conditions i can use to determine the expected direction the odds will move in?
Nope.Willygubbins wrote:so there is no other conditions i can use to determine the expected direction the odds will move in?
All indicators lag, even price action. Money can come in on either side in milliseconds. Often it becomes a guesstimate at best.
You need lots of experience to get more guesses right than wrong.
Thanks for sharing Dallas!
I have modified this bot and am using it in play (not horse racing). Sometimes I find that because of the delay in placing in play bets, the back bet sometimes wont be matched because it would have moved since placing the bet and hence it remains unmatched. This then causes the automation to stop. Is there a way to cancel an unmatched back bet.
Thanks in advance.
I have modified this bot and am using it in play (not horse racing). Sometimes I find that because of the delay in placing in play bets, the back bet sometimes wont be matched because it would have moved since placing the bet and hence it remains unmatched. This then causes the automation to stop. Is there a way to cancel an unmatched back bet.
Thanks in advance.
Tick the fill/kill box on the parameters tab that will cancel any unmatched bets if not matched within the number of seconds you specifydluzion wrote:Thanks for sharing Dallas!
I have modified this bot and am using it in play (not horse racing). Sometimes I find that because of the delay in placing in play bets, the back bet sometimes wont be matched because it would have moved since placing the bet and hence it remains unmatched. This then causes the automation to stop. Is there a way to cancel an unmatched back bet.
Thanks in advance.
Yes you could widen the range so it triggers if it remains within it for a period of time, or if you where focusing on the crossovers and just above you could have a look at this oneobitus wrote:would it be possible to alter the conditions of this bot to scalp between a narrow range of odds?
eg 4.0 - 4.5 ?
https://www.betangel.com/forum/viewtopi ... 53&t=11557
thanks,Dallas wrote:Yes you could widen the range so it triggers if it remains within it for a period of time, or if you where focusing on the crossovers and just above you could have a look at this oneobitus wrote:would it be possible to alter the conditions of this bot to scalp between a narrow range of odds?
eg 4.0 - 4.5 ?
https://www.betangel.com/forum/viewtopi ... 53&t=11557
so for example;
Historic relative odds condition
back price is now greater than back price 6 seconds ago plus 4 ticks
and another one
Historic relative odds condition
back price is now less than back price 6 seconds ago plus 4 ticks
Would this set up the bot to only fire of if the odds are bouncing up and down by 4 ticks within 6 seconds?