Football trading : Increasing # of matches not going inplay

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Kafkaesque
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Mon May 14, 2018 5:10 pm

Nice that I'm not the only one finding this strange, amidst my frustration :)
Euler wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 11:07 am
My understanding is that this was a market ops managed thing in the past but it's been automated now. I don't know how much / many markets are managed this way. But it suggests that the feed or something in that mix is not working very well. I may ask Betfair for comment.
I've asked for a comment about their stance on offering those medium-size leagues inplay going forward, with no response so far. Also asked if they could make a list of markets first promised inplay and then changed to not going inplay. I'll of course post if I do get an answer.

Would be awesome if you'd pick up a stick and poke the powers that be at BF as well. Your query might just hold a bit more weight than mine. Only a tiny bit more, mind :?

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Mon May 14, 2018 5:48 pm

It's worth listing the issues on this thread as that makes it easier to highlight the problem to Betfair.

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Mon May 14, 2018 8:53 pm

I have noticed this too. This weekend at least two games in the Danish Superligaen were not offered in-play on the Exchange, only on the Sportsbook.
I suspect the data comes from the same source whether the match is in-play on the Exchange or only on the Sportsbook.

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Mon May 14, 2018 9:55 pm

There were issues tonight with the AFC Champions League Al Ahil vs Al Sadd game not going in-play.

Also had issues last week with the Telstar vs De Graafschap game.

The worst issue was two weeks ago with the Fortuna Sittard v Jong PSV game, the Match Odds were settled at half-time despite the match continuing.

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Mon May 14, 2018 10:34 pm

Copenhagen trader wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:53 pm
I have noticed this too. This weekend at least two games in the Danish Superligaen were not offered in-play on the Exchange, only on the Sportsbook.
I suspect the data comes from the same source whether the match is in-play on the Exchange or only on the Sportsbook.
This is where I'm starting to become sceptical of BF's gameplan.

It's almost as if, they are reducing the opportunities for IP betting on the exchanges, because they want people to bet on the sportsbook instead

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Tue May 15, 2018 12:09 am

Euler wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 5:48 pm
It's worth listing the issues on this thread as that makes it easier to highlight the problem to Betfair.
I've pretty much lined it up in my initial post, but to streamline it a bit, here's how I would frame it:

Issue:
The number of matches not going inplay, either at all or with only match odds inplay with no management, has been increasing lately for a lot of leagues just below the very biggest ones.

Questions for Betfair:
- What is the future strategy for Betfair Exchange in this regard? Do they plan to correct this, or can we expect the level of inplay markets to continue to decrease?

A note on that would be that it would be to question the reason behind the development. Is it happening because they've tried to save money by using a cheaper but less reliable provider? And if so will they demand more from said provider or look to switch. There's no diplomatic for your average Joe to ask that part, and not have your questions discarded, especially if you hit a sore spot (the cynical part of me thinks), but you may well be able to ask it.

Issue:
The number of matches noted as going inplay, but then changed not going inplay at a later time is increasing.

Questions for Betfair:
Is this related to the first issue? Would it be possible to have a list displayed somewhere on the website with the matches with a changed future inplay status?

Given that it's likely almost exclusively traders with a big need to know, if they suddenly change the inplay status, an alternative to the above could be that they release the information to BA, if you'd want to build in a feature where that information displays for preselected markets.

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Tue May 15, 2018 8:28 am

LeTiss wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 10:34 pm
Copenhagen trader wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:53 pm
I have noticed this too. This weekend at least two games in the Danish Superligaen were not offered in-play on the Exchange, only on the Sportsbook.
I suspect the data comes from the same source whether the match is in-play on the Exchange or only on the Sportsbook.
This is where I'm starting to become sceptical of BF's gameplan.

It's almost as if, they are reducing the opportunities for IP betting on the exchanges, because they want people to bet on the sportsbook instead
After reading CT post I had those same thoughts, with the lack of countries BD operate in and their overall poor liquidity in football markets they certainly have a bit of leeway to try and push people onto their sportsbook.

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Wed May 16, 2018 4:39 pm

Starting 10 minutes ago, Botosani Vs Concordia is

- Deemed "going inplay" on the exchange
- Actually suspended on the exchange
- Offered live on the sportsbook with full range of market options
- Shown on the sportsbook with their "Match display" (don't know the term on the English version) with who's attacking etc.

They seriously need to sort this!

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Wed May 16, 2018 6:02 pm

Okay, the upside to this is, that there's a partial answer to some of the wonderings earlier in the thread:

https://twitter.com/BetfairCS/status/996792901928673281

They're basically admitting, one of two things is going on. They're deliberately leading people to sportsbook by offering live there and not on the exchange. Or they're using a cheaper, less effective feed for the exchange. Although others have speculated the former, I find the latter more likely, especially if it is really two complete different and independent platforms. Either way, I'm back to where I was when I started this thread; that it is a worrying sign, way beyond a football match here and there.

@Euler

As the outward face of all that is good and holy about the exchange, you surely cannot let this pass in silence :roll:

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Thu May 31, 2018 11:31 am

Kafkaesque wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 5:10 pm
I've asked for a comment about their stance on offering those medium-size leagues inplay going forward, with no response so far. Also asked if they could make a list of markets first promised inplay and then changed to not going inplay. I'll of course post if I do get an answer.
Just to quickly follow up on this, I got a response from CS saying, they would escalate the query and let me know once they had an answer. I've heard nothing since, which imo unfortunately tells its own story as to how they're planning to play this going forward :x

@Euler, I can very much appreciate that you're likely the kind of person with a ton of things happening, so you're time is of a premium. Just as I can understand if you were to disagree that this a big issue. However, as I've already above, your voice is certainly going to sound louder at BF Headquarters than mine, so whether you want take this thing on has a large bearing on how much I should push for a response myself. Could you let me know either way?

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