50 A Day System

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Atho55
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Shaun, the opening poster was looking for some information and I provided results from the small data set that gets updated daily. That`s it. It`s just a bit of data.

I`m sure he is able to make his own mind up how he uses it without everyone trying to rubbish it from the start. It might work, it might not. Who knows.
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ShaunWhite
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Atho55 wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:42 am
Shaun, the opening poster was looking for some information and I provided results from the small data set that gets updated daily. That`s it. It`s just a bit of data.

I`m sure he is able to make his own mind up how he uses it without everyone trying to rubbish it from the start. It might work, it might not. Who knows.
I know, I did say it wasn't your battle.

If honest opinions come across as trying 'rubbish it' then they can ignore them but the whole point of rigorous analysis is to eliminate the "It might work, it might not. Who knows" otherwise why do it? People have to go through 50 ideas to find 1 good one so the default should be to look for why things won't work rather than why they might. I'd be happy if anything I did was rubbished because failing fast and especially failing cheap is how you move forward.
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More out of curiosity than anything else, created a Pivot with the +£ courses and will note progress. Remarkably yesterday it did ok. Time will tell of course.

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Tonysilvestre99
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Hello everyone.

I'm new to this BOT thing.
From what I've been reading I think this strategy is good.
Can someone help me or tell me how to apply this strategy.
I'm been checking the forum shared files and has nothing on this strategy.

Thanks
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to75ne
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Tonysilvestre99 wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:21 pm
Hello everyone.

I'm new to this BOT thing.
From what I've been reading I think this strategy is good.
Can someone help me or tell me how to apply this strategy.
I'm been checking the forum shared files and has nothing on this strategy.

Thanks
its not, do yourself a favour and forget it.
Atho55
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an interesting comment to75ne, are you able to support that with some factual evidence?
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to75ne
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just the mathematical certainty (well proven many times) that loss recovery systems fail.
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Derek27
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Atho55 wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:55 pm
an interesting comment to75ne, are you able to support that with some factual evidence?
You cannot possibly win simply by increasing stakes in reaction to losses. Many loss recovery systems are disguised, involve moderately increasing stakes after a loser, limited maximum stake, etc, but it's all the same thing.
Atho55
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Has anyone tried Level Stakes and use in Handicap Races only??

I have not got enough data yet but looking back over the last 3 months looks profitable

Using the staking plan advised is pure suicide! Page 7

I may be mistaken but assumed the person posing the question was referring to this part of the thread...
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GaryCook
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Atho55 wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:28 pm
Has anyone tried Level Stakes and use in Handicap Races only??

I have not got enough data yet but looking back over the last 3 months looks profitable

Using the staking plan advised is pure suicide! Page 7

I may be mistaken but assumed the person posing the question was referring to this part of the thread...
What are Level Stakes? Just curious.

As for Martingale and other staking planes it's not hard to model what would happen based on a huge data set with random binary results. IE, win/lose (1 or 0).

Did that years ago. Turns out you may as well just place a random sequence of bets. The staking plan does nothing other than give one a false sense of security and that is worse than no staking plan at all. May as well stick your house on red or black in roulette. IE, Dont do it. The numbers, runners or games have no memory. What happened the event before has no bearing on the next result. Unless maybe its something like the 2nd leg of football competition. Which is usually factored to the prices on offer anyway as the market is quite efficient.

This game is all about seeking value whether its a macro or micro strategy. If each wager is negative value you are going to lose no matter what the staking plan is.

Trust me when you have hundreds or thousands on the roll of a dice you won't care that it lost 10 times before. Except in the sense you still have just as much chance of losing of course. If anything that's more reason not to stake again.

Plus, when you do manage to win a stake you then would have to factor in all the losses and take that out of any profit.

Why not just seek to be a trader who only places a trade when you have more chance of winning or losing in the first place. Quite a few people here manage it. Even if it did take a good while to learn. Well on the way myself.
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Kai
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GaryCook wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:08 pm
What are Level Stakes? Just curious.
Same exact stake size for every bet.
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Kai wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:35 pm
GaryCook wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:08 pm
What are Level Stakes? Just curious.
Same exact stake size for every bet.
Level stakes is going into a supermarket and spending £50 on food, £50 on beer, and £50 on bog-roll just to keep everything level. :)
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Kai
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Derek27 wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:37 pm
Kai wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:35 pm
GaryCook wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:08 pm
What are Level Stakes? Just curious.
Same exact stake size for every bet.
Level stakes is going into a supermarket and spending £50 on food, £50 on beer, and £50 on bog-roll just to keep everything level. :)
Had to google bog-roll :D

In their defense the punters can't exactly hedge their risk like traders can, they have to get the outcome right so it makes some sense to squeeze every bit of value out of a price :)
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GaryCook
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Ah ok. So simple I didnt think it would mean that.
striker44
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Hi,

I stumbled across this forum accidently when looking at something else on the web. Saw this thread.

I have for sometime now layed some fav horses to come unplaced and used the little acorns extended Fibonacci Sequence: 1 1.5 2 2.5 3 4 5 6.5 8 10.5 13 17 21 27.5 34 to recover going back 2 steps on a win.

Looked back at results -

this year 40 22 55% 5 twice

19 2268 1070 47.2% 10 once

18 2233 1028 46% 8 once

17 2166 971 44.8% 9 once

Average win price of losing bets 2.06 bfsp - so at the 54.4% win sr profitable: the loss recovery makes it better -

So I think with the correct selection process you can use loss recovery to good effect.
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