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steven1976
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Going to be some overtime at the factory for the next week or so.
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andyfuller
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Good sales indeed - slightly manipulated though compared to previous years by not allowing pre-order of the 5S.
I see Apple more as a dividend yielding stock going forward (queue new all time highs!)
I see Apple more as a dividend yielding stock going forward (queue new all time highs!)
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andyfuller
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Another some what disappointing launch event I felt last night. I see more market share going to android after it.
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andyfuller
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Just thought I would share my views on Apple given their earnings report this week.
I still really feel like they need to come up with the next big thing. I understand Tim Cook said they have something big in the pipe line for this year but no one seems to know what though many are talking about it being wearable tech.
I am still far from sold on the idea of wearable tech. Perhaps in the long term it will work out but I just don't see it at the moment. I think the Samsung watch was a complete dud.
If Apple come out with a TV I don't see that changing things massively, a TV, imo, is something that is changed rarely in a household and the next big thing supposedly is 4k which by all accounts is pretty damn impressive. We already have the connected TV which I am sure can be done better than at present but still I don't see it being Apple's new big thing.
The 'cheaper' iPhone was a flop as it was hardly cheaper. Though their sales of iPhones overall was the most yet I believe but it was interesting that the main growth area has been the Mac.
Margins are being tightened as competition increases in the tablet and phone market and I think many other companies are catching up and possibly over taking Apple. Even Jimrobo has left them I believe
There has been talk about the improvement in sales of the Microsoft Surface and also talk about Apple currently being like Microsoft in and around 2004.
I am currently reading Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson and it is very interesting to learn about Jobs in greater detail. Still only a little of the way in but Job's comes across imo as a dick, but who could get people to do stuff they otherwise thought they could not. I do admire some of his attributes but I don't think I would particularly wanted to class him as a 'friend' as he seemingly had no issues about screwing you over.
It is also interesting to see the likes of Google investing in these robotics companies and companies like Nest where as Apple don't seem to be doing any such buying despite their huge cash piles. Which makes me think even more that over time they are going to loose more and more to Google et al.
What they plan to do with all the cash is an interesting one, Carl Ichan obviously wants massive share buy back which I can see his argument for. But I think I would sooner see some acquisitions.
Anyway overall I still hold the belief that Apple are slowly losing their way and now more than ever need to come up with the next big thing and it needs to be a big hit. I don't just want to see another version of the iPhone and iPad that are at ever decreasing margins as they face more and more competition in those areas.
Time for Tim Cook to step up to the table with something to take Apple forward before they go backwards.
I still really feel like they need to come up with the next big thing. I understand Tim Cook said they have something big in the pipe line for this year but no one seems to know what though many are talking about it being wearable tech.
I am still far from sold on the idea of wearable tech. Perhaps in the long term it will work out but I just don't see it at the moment. I think the Samsung watch was a complete dud.
If Apple come out with a TV I don't see that changing things massively, a TV, imo, is something that is changed rarely in a household and the next big thing supposedly is 4k which by all accounts is pretty damn impressive. We already have the connected TV which I am sure can be done better than at present but still I don't see it being Apple's new big thing.
The 'cheaper' iPhone was a flop as it was hardly cheaper. Though their sales of iPhones overall was the most yet I believe but it was interesting that the main growth area has been the Mac.
Margins are being tightened as competition increases in the tablet and phone market and I think many other companies are catching up and possibly over taking Apple. Even Jimrobo has left them I believe
There has been talk about the improvement in sales of the Microsoft Surface and also talk about Apple currently being like Microsoft in and around 2004.
I am currently reading Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson and it is very interesting to learn about Jobs in greater detail. Still only a little of the way in but Job's comes across imo as a dick, but who could get people to do stuff they otherwise thought they could not. I do admire some of his attributes but I don't think I would particularly wanted to class him as a 'friend' as he seemingly had no issues about screwing you over.
It is also interesting to see the likes of Google investing in these robotics companies and companies like Nest where as Apple don't seem to be doing any such buying despite their huge cash piles. Which makes me think even more that over time they are going to loose more and more to Google et al.
What they plan to do with all the cash is an interesting one, Carl Ichan obviously wants massive share buy back which I can see his argument for. But I think I would sooner see some acquisitions.
Anyway overall I still hold the belief that Apple are slowly losing their way and now more than ever need to come up with the next big thing and it needs to be a big hit. I don't just want to see another version of the iPhone and iPad that are at ever decreasing margins as they face more and more competition in those areas.
Time for Tim Cook to step up to the table with something to take Apple forward before they go backwards.
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steven1976
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The iPod could soon being discontinued after 26 models. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25927366
I'd imagine they will squeeze a few more iPhones out the door yet
I'd imagine they will squeeze a few more iPhones out the door yet
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andyfuller
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Pretty amazing figures from Apple yesterday. Selling almost 10 iPhones every second for the entire last quartersteven1976 wrote:I'd imagine they will squeeze a few more iPhones out the door yet
Interesting that iPad sales are on the decline but to be expected I would think due to the fact that they almost made them too good? I still have no need to replace my 'old' iPad unlike mobiles which tend to get replaced much more often. Also with the fact the new bigger phones are starting to become iPad replacements.
I still don't see the iWatch taking off but I don't like watches in general so am a little biased but I really don't see it as being the next step in the tech evolution. I am not really sure where the market is heading.
I recently was looking back in some old emails and found one I had sent to Peter where I mentioned the relatively new iPads and I said I liked them but I couldn't see it replacing my netbook....I recently chucked my netbook away
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steven1976
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They squeezed you boys good and proper! Amazing the power of a brand.
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BackHighLayLow
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I did buy an iPad 4, but all I really do with that is play games on the move, so wouldn't upgrade that until it died, and even then I'd probably upgrade to the cheapest one available at the time. The kids loved it to the point of having to buy them both an iPad mini each for their birthdays, but ditto on the upgrades.
My general take on all things Apple is it's all way overpriced for what it does. And with the number of phones I've lost or dropped down the toilet in life, I wouldn't buy an iPhone at today's prices, so opted for a Nexus 5 last year instead which is a fantastic piece of kit, and ditto on the upgrade to that.
It will be interesting to see what unravels in the coming years, as with all things tech, prices are going to come down, and unless they come up with some new killer thing for the iphone / ipad it wont be many more years they will be able to maintain the prices and margins they are today.
Even the iSheep will be reluctant to pay £500+ when you can get something equivalent or better for a quarter of the price elsewhere.
My general take on all things Apple is it's all way overpriced for what it does. And with the number of phones I've lost or dropped down the toilet in life, I wouldn't buy an iPhone at today's prices, so opted for a Nexus 5 last year instead which is a fantastic piece of kit, and ditto on the upgrade to that.
It will be interesting to see what unravels in the coming years, as with all things tech, prices are going to come down, and unless they come up with some new killer thing for the iphone / ipad it wont be many more years they will be able to maintain the prices and margins they are today.
Even the iSheep will be reluctant to pay £500+ when you can get something equivalent or better for a quarter of the price elsewhere.
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steven1976
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Better look after the nexus 5 as they have gone all up market on the nexus 6 pricing at around 500-550 pounds. although i agree, not much difference in top spec phones and tabs these days. I like my chinese lenovo phones whilst all the chinese go mad buying iphones.
although i agree, not much difference in top spec phones and tabs these days. I like my chinese lenovo phones whilst all the chinese go mad buying iphones.-
andyfuller
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I would like to get my hands on a Chinese Xiaomi phone. They sound good for the price, amazing they are the world's third largest phone maker yet I only heard about them recently!steven1976 wrote:I like my chinese lenovo phones whilst all the chinese go mad buying iphones.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaomi
I recently bought an iuni u2 from china & it is a ridiculous piece of kit for the money, I have no idea how they can stay in business.
A company called jiayu are releasing some really well made 64-bit android phones for less than £200. Stupid to think that I could get of those & a PS4 for less than an iphone would cost me.
A company called jiayu are releasing some really well made 64-bit android phones for less than £200. Stupid to think that I could get of those & a PS4 for less than an iphone would cost me.
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superfrank
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Apple's huge profits simply illustrate how much people are overpaying for products with built-in obsolescence.
Got a nice new 4g android phone with retina display for £10 - just request a PAC code from your current operator then wait for the call from the "most favoured customer/loyalty" department and they'll offer you pretty much anything to stay (except for Apple stuff). half-price contract too.
i love deflation
Got a nice new 4g android phone with retina display for £10 - just request a PAC code from your current operator then wait for the call from the "most favoured customer/loyalty" department and they'll offer you pretty much anything to stay (except for Apple stuff). half-price contract too.
i love deflation