The only thing is, I have not seen anything to suggest that the officials are looking into this. At the moment it is only speculation by jounalists.
I just wonder if there may be a technical reason why he may not be dq'ed or penalised now.
I think betfair ought to suspend trading.
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I've been on the phone this morning. A journo is the one who broke the story and this was before Augusta even knew of it. So it's all speculation until Augusta say something. Reports that officials 'will look at it' but a DQ can only occur if they rule the drop was illegal and he signed for the wrong score. But an official was present so, judgement may fall on that if they do look into it.
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JollyGreen
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Well apparently the Masters Officials have said they will investigate this matter on Saturday morning. I don't know what time that will be.OnGoldWires wrote:The only thing is, I have not seen anything to suggest that the officials are looking into this. At the moment it is only speculation by jounalists.
I just wonder if there may be a technical reason why he may not be dq'ed or penalised now.
I think betfair ought to suspend trading.
As an ex-caddie and Golfer I can assure you there is no technical reason which would prevent his disqualification.
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JollyGreen
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The official is there to answer questions on the rules or make a ruling on things like who is away. If asked they will give a ruling but many times it is the player who informs the official and adjusts the scorecard accordingly.Euler wrote:I've been on the phone this morning. A journo is the one who broke the story and this was before Augusta even knew of it. So it's all speculation until Augusta say something. Reports that officials 'will look at it' but a DQ can only occur if they rule the drop was illegal and he signed for the wrong score. But an official was present so, judgement may fall on that if they do look into it.
Remember Ian Woosnam when he had 15 clubs in his bag for the 2012 Open? He had John Paramor with him, one of the finest rules officials in the game. However, Paramor knew nothing of the breach and it was Woosnam who informed him he had one too many clubs. He took the 2 shot penalty and it meant he was 2nd overall.
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JollyGreen
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So he took the two shot penalty or he will take the two shot penalty. If it's the latter then he will be Disqualified as he would have signed for an incorrect scorecard.Euler wrote:ESPN reporting that Tiger Woods will take a two-shot penalty for an illegal drop on 15 yesterday.
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JollyGreen
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It's a bloody disgrace that's what it is. Like I said, 1 rule for Tiger and another for the rest. I have never heard of a retrospective penalty in Golf, you sign for the incorrect score and you are disqualified.
It makes a mockery of the game! I hope he has a 'mare in rounds 3 and 4, makes me sick to my stomach!
It makes a mockery of the game! I hope he has a 'mare in rounds 3 and 4, makes me sick to my stomach!
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OnGoldWires
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They've fudged it!!!
The penalty they have applied is for players who have unintentionally played from the wrong position. They have evidence that Mr Woods played from the wrong position intentionally AND benefitted from that intention.
If the decision stands, they are going to find it hard to DQ the next player that signs the wrong card -unless it is Mr Woods.
The penalty they have applied is for players who have unintentionally played from the wrong position. They have evidence that Mr Woods played from the wrong position intentionally AND benefitted from that intention.
If the decision stands, they are going to find it hard to DQ the next player that signs the wrong card -unless it is Mr Woods.
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JollyGreen
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It's a complete fudge up although I could use other words!
I don't care if it's Tiger Woods or Tony the Tiger you sign an incorrect card you get DQd!!
As OnGoldenWires said Tiger admitted on TV he dropped it back two yards to help him yet they bottle it and say it was unintentional.
I wasn't trading it and I wasn't going to but now I also won't watch the rest of the tournament.
I don't care if it's Tiger Woods or Tony the Tiger you sign an incorrect card you get DQd!!
As OnGoldenWires said Tiger admitted on TV he dropped it back two yards to help him yet they bottle it and say it was unintentional.
I wasn't trading it and I wasn't going to but now I also won't watch the rest of the tournament.
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JollyGreen
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Well if you need further proof that this is a complete load of bollocks and fudge up then here is the official statement. I have highlighted in red the important parts which proves the officials knew of the infringement prior to completion of Tiger's round. That makes it even more of a farce because the official should've told Tiger of the issue and he should've added the shot to his score. I think Tiger is lucky that Mr Magoo made the decision as highlighted in Blue! If he had complied with the rules then why has he now been penalised a further shot?
It's a sad day for Golf!
Augusta National issued the following statement on Saturday's ruling:
“Yesterday afternoon, the Rules Committee was made aware of a possible Rules violation that involved a drop by Tiger Woods on the 15th hole.
“In preparation for his fifth shot, the player dropped his ball in close proximity to where he had played his third shot in apparent conformance with Rule 26. After being prompted by a television viewer, the Rules Committee reviewed a video of the shot while he was playing the 18th hole. At that moment and based on that evidence, the Committee determined he had complied with the Rules.
“After he signed his scorecard, and in a television interview subsequent to the round, the player stated that he played further from the point than where he had played his third shot. Such action would constitute playing from the wrong place.
“The subsequent information provided by the player’s interview after he had completed play warranted further review and discussion with him this morning. After meeting with the player, it was determined that he had violated Rule 26, and he was assessed a two-stroke penalty. The penalty of disqualification was waived by the Committee under Rule 33 as the Committee had previously reviewed the information and made its initial determination prior to the finish of the player’s round.”
It's a sad day for Golf!
Augusta National issued the following statement on Saturday's ruling:
“Yesterday afternoon, the Rules Committee was made aware of a possible Rules violation that involved a drop by Tiger Woods on the 15th hole.
“In preparation for his fifth shot, the player dropped his ball in close proximity to where he had played his third shot in apparent conformance with Rule 26. After being prompted by a television viewer, the Rules Committee reviewed a video of the shot while he was playing the 18th hole. At that moment and based on that evidence, the Committee determined he had complied with the Rules.
“After he signed his scorecard, and in a television interview subsequent to the round, the player stated that he played further from the point than where he had played his third shot. Such action would constitute playing from the wrong place.
“The subsequent information provided by the player’s interview after he had completed play warranted further review and discussion with him this morning. After meeting with the player, it was determined that he had violated Rule 26, and he was assessed a two-stroke penalty. The penalty of disqualification was waived by the Committee under Rule 33 as the Committee had previously reviewed the information and made its initial determination prior to the finish of the player’s round.”
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I'm thinking back to when I use to play golf to scratch level and I must admit seeing what tiger did, I recon i did it myself. I never thought of myself as a cheat but I guess I was.
I bet most other golfers have also done it when there has been a big fat sand filled divert right next to where you took your shot and you have the divert you just took yourself and you drop it an extra foot away from where you took the last shot.
Even the ruling with the young lad, i bet he didnt even know the rules. I bet he was chasing up the fairways to get to his ball first before crenshaw thinking he was doing his best for slow play, but then taking to long actually once he pulls his club out the bag. When actually, I dont think you can get done for walking slow up the fairway. Your only timed on your shot if Im correct in which you are allowed 40 seconds I think?
I bet most other golfers have also done it when there has been a big fat sand filled divert right next to where you took your shot and you have the divert you just took yourself and you drop it an extra foot away from where you took the last shot.
Even the ruling with the young lad, i bet he didnt even know the rules. I bet he was chasing up the fairways to get to his ball first before crenshaw thinking he was doing his best for slow play, but then taking to long actually once he pulls his club out the bag. When actually, I dont think you can get done for walking slow up the fairway. Your only timed on your shot if Im correct in which you are allowed 40 seconds I think?